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Firefox OS puts a good $50 smartphone within reach

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Re: Firefox OS puts a good $50 smartphone within reach

#21

It'll be interesting to see how these "alternative" OSes perform in developing countries -- namely, those in Africa. I'm just glad to see the GPL being able to help harbor an emerging product without shooting themselves in the foot. They're providing third party compatibility, while still trying to tackle a completely different market. It's quite wonderful to see.

its MPL. not that GPL crap

Re: Firefox OS puts a good $50 smartphone within reach

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post #7

We'll see how "good" it is. I'm very skeptical about a Javascript-heavy OS being as good as an Android one on the same hardware. If all things are equal, it shouldn't be. However, I suppose Firefox OS will be more "feature-free" in the beginning, and those HTML5 apps will be a lot simpler than the typical native app, and these two things might compensate for the slower speed of Javascript. We'll see.

you are mistaken, firefox os does not need "the same hardware" as android, it needs less, a lot less.

Re: Firefox OS puts a good $50 smartphone within reach

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post #7

We'll see how "good" it is. I'm very skeptical about a Javascript-heavy OS being as good as an Android one on the same hardware. If all things are equal, it shouldn't be. However, I suppose Firefox OS will be more "feature-free" in the beginning, and those HTML5 apps will be a lot simpler than the typical native app, and these two things might compensate for the slower speed of Javascript. We'll see.

Well, Dalvik is not a speed deamon. I don't have any benchmarks on actual phone hardware available, but I can guess that javascript code will not run much slower on phone hardware than on desktop comparable desktop browsers, while Dalvik is a waaay slover than regular Java code on desktop.

Dalvik does have a JIT now, and it's much easier to JIT Java in the first place. The difference between deskop and mobile may be smaller with JavaScript, but not by much.

The biggest issue JavaScript+HTML has is memory usage. Cheap phones don't have much memory and Java on Dalvik is much more memory efficient.

Re: Firefox OS puts a good $50 smartphone within reach

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post #5

Interesting, I think I'm interrested in getting one of these devices [1]. I'm wondering though if there are currently the only (preview) devices supporting Firefox OS? And if there are officially supported by Mozilla and will continue to officialy receive software updates in the near future? (I don't want to buy a device useless in 4 months). [1] http://www.geeksphone.com/

The next update is planned to be released on 1st of May.

https://wiki.mozilla.org/B2G/Schedule_Roadmap

Re: Firefox OS puts a good $50 smartphone within reach

#25
post #7

We'll see how "good" it is. I'm very skeptical about a Javascript-heavy OS being as good as an Android one on the same hardware. If all things are equal, it shouldn't be. However, I suppose Firefox OS will be more "feature-free" in the beginning, and those HTML5 apps will be a lot simpler than the typical native app, and these two things might compensate for the slower speed of Javascript. We'll see.

I have Firefox OS running on a device that was originally intended for Android, and I can tell you that it runs very fast. As it should- the target for Firefox OS devices is considerably lower.

In any case, the language being used on the OS has next to no bearing on the actual performance. How can you know that JavaScript is slower than Java? The devil is in the details- i.e., the implementation.

Re: Firefox OS puts a good $50 smartphone within reach

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I'm more interested in what this will do for mobile app development than the actual phone itself. Having a phone that anyone with a text editor can write software for is going to be huge.

I briefly played with a FirefoxOS Phone at Linuxfest Northwest and it was more responsive than my old Motorola X2. I ran a few of the pre-installed apps and took a picture with the camera and it worked as expected.

Re: Firefox OS puts a good $50 smartphone within reach

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post #6

I have a feeling Firefox OS is going to be big. from what I've seen of YouTube demos the OS is quite responsive on modest hardware (gs2 and nexus s). I've had no luck this week trying to build the OS for a gs2. I'm hopeful that I'll have more success compiling for a nexus s.

Yes, I think so too. There was a big gap left open when WebOS was mercilessly killed off by HP, and I really wanted to see WebOS succeed. Firefox OS is great so far, it has its quirks but its still very early days. There is no question in my mind that it will be a serious contender. There are so many devs out there who just want to code for one platform (web) and cant be bothered to go native (ask anyone using phoneg…

Actually not one went native after trying out phonegap. It would be interesting if you could elaborate more about the reasons for "giant influx of good apps". Not coding for one platform cannot be a reasonf for that, even the opposite. Cross-platform apps are usually aliens on all supported platforms. Open standards and no walled garden do not imply the quality in any way. For infrascturcure things, sure. For apps… I cannot come up with one example where open source (desktop) app is better than commercial alternative.

Re: Firefox OS puts a good $50 smartphone within reach

#29

I tried one of these phones last week. It was awful. No innovation, slow/juddery animations, bad UX. Granted it's a developer preview, but based on the preview I wouldn't develop for it.

How does it compare to the $100 retail iPhones and Android phones you've used?

Even if you buy a cheap plane ticket from Ryanair, you’re allowed to complain if only one of the two engines work.

Re: Firefox OS puts a good $50 smartphone within reach

#30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does it compare to the $100 retail iPhones and Android phones you've used?

Even if you buy a cheap plane ticket from Ryanair, you’re allowed to complain if only one of the two engines work.

He may have been asking a genuine question. Given the current thread is about how much you can do for very little money, comparing how a $100 Firefox OS device to a $100 Android one is perfectly valid (though not entirely fair as one of the two is still not officially production ready).
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