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Where Is .Net Headed?

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Re: Where Is .Net Headed?

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Post by Fizzer »

300bps wrote: post #4

I have moved everything that I host for myself or my clients to Azure. Low cost, rock solid reliability, incredible speed and easy to administer. CPU, memory and disk really are a commodity at this point. I loved Amazon EC2 too but Azure was far cheaper for high use Windows VMs.

EC2 is indeed very expensive for Windows hosting. A c1.medium instance on EC2 reserved for 3 years is $42/mo Linux and $116/mo Windows - that's nearly triple the cost for the same hardware!

Another option is to switch to mono and run your .net apps with EC2's Linux prices. Then it's even cheaper than Azure. This is what I did for my current project.

Re: Where Is .Net Headed?

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Post by untog »

at-fates-hands wrote: post #5

I currently work at a fairly large MS client. No way we're going to abandon .Net right now or in the next few years. We're currently in the process of getting ready for a migration to Sharepoint Server 2013 which will cement the company with .Net for at least the next two to three years. We still have several sites on the old 2007 platform with no hint of moving those over any time soon. I'm wondering what you see as…

I think the future of the MVC framework is a better question. It's stuck in the middle of two worlds- huge corporate projects don't use it, and anyone that even thinks about MVC will be more likely to use something like Ruby.

Re: Where Is .Net Headed?

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Post by adamnemecek »

yareally wrote: post #9
at-fates-hands wrote: post #5

I currently work at a fairly large MS client. No way we're going to abandon .Net right now or in the next few years. We're currently in the process of getting ready for a migration to Sharepoint Server 2013 which will cement the company with .Net for at least the next two to three years. We still have several sites on the old 2007 platform with no hint of moving those over any time soon. I'm wondering what you see as…

>I'm wondering what you see as viable open source alternatives to the .Net platform. Mono? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mono_(software) Or going in a different direction with similar goals, Qt.

> Mono? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mono_(software)

You are funny.

Re: Where Is .Net Headed?

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Post by untog »

yareally wrote: post #9
at-fates-hands wrote: post #5

I currently work at a fairly large MS client. No way we're going to abandon .Net right now or in the next few years. We're currently in the process of getting ready for a migration to Sharepoint Server 2013 which will cement the company with .Net for at least the next two to three years. We still have several sites on the old 2007 platform with no hint of moving those over any time soon. I'm wondering what you see as…

>I'm wondering what you see as viable open source alternatives to the .Net platform. Mono? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mono_(software) Or going in a different direction with similar goals, Qt.

If you think Mono is a viable alternative to the .NET platform, you don't understand why people choose .NET.

Don't get me wrong, Mono is awesome. But it's not about to be adopted by Fortune 500 companies across the world.

Re: Where Is .Net Headed?

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Post by orbitur »

kvb wrote: post #3
taternuts wrote: post #2

They need to open source the CLR and rule the world

Why? It's already an ISO/ECMA standard, and there's an existing high quality open source implementation in Mono. Microsoft has open sourced several of their more recent frameworks and languages, including ASP.NET MVC, F#, and TypeScript, and released free-but-not-open-source tools like the express editions of Visual Studio. How would open sourcing the CLR help?

Exactly. Being closed isn't the problem, it's just effectively unsupported on any platform that's not Windows. Mono's nice and all, but it's not complete, and it never will be.

Re: Where Is .Net Headed?

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Post by kyllo »

rocky1138 wrote: post #6

They should add Java as a CLR-supported language :P

I might use the opposite--a JVM implementation of C#--if such a thing existed. A port of Java on the CLR would be useless to me though, because I don't use .NET but if I did, C# has better features than Java as a language.

Re: Where Is .Net Headed?

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Post by moron4hire »

orbitur wrote: post #15
kvb wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? It's already an ISO/ECMA standard, and there's an existing high quality open source implementation in Mono. Microsoft has open sourced several of their more recent frameworks and languages, including ASP.NET MVC, F#, and TypeScript, and released free-but-not-open-source tools like the express editions of Visual Studio. How would open sourcing the CLR help?

Exactly. Being closed isn't the problem, it's just effectively unsupported on any platform that's not Windows. Mono's nice and all, but it's not complete, and it never will be.

What is it missing that you are missing?

Mono is pretty damn complete. The stuff I've found it to be missing are very Windows-centric stuff and wouldn't fit in a Unix environment anyway.

Re: Where Is .Net Headed?

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Post by eduardordm »

cooldeal wrote: post #10

Great, another .NET is dying post voted up on HN. Didn't we have one of those just this morning? Meanwhile, in the real world, Microsoft posted these earnings: "Server & Tools business reported $5.04 billion of revenue, up 11% from last year" Inspite of competing products like Linux, Apache, Eclipse, Ruby, Java being given away for free, people are willing to pay for Windows Server, Visual Studio and IIS. Does anyone…

You couldn't buy the VS licenses + SQL Server + Windows Server with the money YCombinator provides you.

So, yes, most microsoft products are incredibly damaging for a startup.

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