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Re: Introducing Android Studio

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Post by chaostheory »

davesims wrote: post #108
chaostheory wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything you wrote was true several years ago, but today it's no longer true. Eclipse is pretty stable now since it has OSGI under the hood. UX wise though it's still pretty crappy. I wouldn't be surprised if the new Android IDE is still Eclipse.

My last full-time experience with Eclipse was a year and a half ago, and it was worse than it has ever been. Plugins and package management are a nightmare, and that's a quagmire that you can't simply rewrite your way out of. Terrible plugin quality control has created an entire ecosystem of bad Eclipse UI/UX. As to OSGI -- that has been the core of Eclipse for nearly a decade, and IMO also a big part of the problem.…

what plugins are you using? I've been installing plugin after plugin and I've never run into any problems for the past five years now.

Re: Introducing Android Studio

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Post by dsaber »

This is definitely awesome. I look forward to the stable release and moving away from Eclipse.

Does anyone know if Android Studio will also be available as a plug-in for people who already have IntelliJ installed? I'm not too keen on having multiple versions of the same IDEs, that I have to each customize and maintain.

Re: Introducing Android Studio

#133

Post by eropple »

karlshea wrote: post #48
ihuman wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does everyone seem to hate Eclipse? I've been using for a while and I can't find reasons to dislike it.

I've used JetBrains' products in various forms (IntelliJ IDEA, Resharper for Visual Studio, and PhpStorm) for a long time, but every couple of years I was also exposed to Eclipse (Aptana Studio, and one or two other installs that I forget what they were for). Eclipse just feels clunky and not very well designed. Like they forgot to find someone to do UX work. Plus the workspaces concept is really stupid, and the vers…

This is well-said. Something I say quite often when Eclipse/IntelliJ comes up: for a while, as an Eclipse and occasional NetBeans user, I thought that I really hated Java. After finding IntelliJ, I realized quite quickly that while I don't love Java (and I do have a laundry list of things-it-must-do-better), what I really hated were my IDEs. IntelliJ for Scala is also just straight-up brilliant.

My only complaint is that even with all the tweaking in the world it's basically impossible to make their Swing-based editor component not look terrible on Linux.

Re: Introducing Android Studio

#134

Post by KirinDave »

chaostheory wrote: post #85
davesims wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The feature set is fine, and when it came out it was basically revolutionary. But over the years the architecture has developed real instability. Frequent crashes, terrible and fundamentally broken package/dependency management. Difficult to find features, inconsistent UX and a vast amount of very low-quality plugins in the ecosystem. Then there's the extremely varied and confusing set of packages. There's even a mat…

Everything you wrote was true several years ago, but today it's no longer true. Eclipse is pretty stable now since it has OSGI under the hood. UX wise though it's still pretty crappy. I wouldn't be surprised if the new Android IDE is still Eclipse.

I suspect you are suffering from stockholm syndrome. I program Java daily, understand what Eclipse is doing, and I cannot use it for more than a week without shouting at it as it crashes and burns. Perhaps this is a Mac OS X quirk, but I don't really care.

And UX wise it isn't just "crappy." It take some serious doing to be less intuitive and newbie-friendly than emacs.

Re: Introducing Android Studio

#135

Post by p_l »

eropple wrote: post #133
karlshea wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've used JetBrains' products in various forms (IntelliJ IDEA, Resharper for Visual Studio, and PhpStorm) for a long time, but every couple of years I was also exposed to Eclipse (Aptana Studio, and one or two other installs that I forget what they were for). Eclipse just feels clunky and not very well designed. Like they forgot to find someone to do UX work. Plus the workspaces concept is really stupid, and the vers…

This is well-said. Something I say quite often when Eclipse/IntelliJ comes up: for a while, as an Eclipse and occasional NetBeans user, I thought that I really hated Java. After finding IntelliJ, I realized quite quickly that while I don't love Java (and I do have a laundry list of things-it-must-do-better), what I really hated were my IDEs. IntelliJ for Scala is also just straight-up brilliant. My only complaint is…

Hmm... other than some issues with disappearing completion windows (probably related to me running XMonad), I haven't really found it to be that ugly on linux... Maybe not very slick, but frankly speaking, for the benefits it's small price :D

Re: Introducing Android Studio

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Post by p_l »

bitwize wrote: post #127
untog wrote: post #2

This is huge. I've held out on Android development for many reasons, but my visceral hate for Eclipse is one of them. I know I've been able to use IntelliJ before now, but Eclipse was Google's example in tutorials, etc. Now I'm very excited to make an Android app.

I've gotten by with Emacs and the command line tools. Full disclosure, I'm the author of this game: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.parodychec... I'm hesitant to give up Emacs just to write for Android, but even so I might give this new gizmo a try.

Could you describe your workflow/emacs.d ?

I've been thinking of going with Emacs for Java coding for some time, but JDEE always seemed to be missing something (and some of the newer options tended to eat hilarious amounts of resources or required maven)

Re: Introducing Android Studio

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Post by sigzero »

chaostheory wrote: post #85
davesims wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The feature set is fine, and when it came out it was basically revolutionary. But over the years the architecture has developed real instability. Frequent crashes, terrible and fundamentally broken package/dependency management. Difficult to find features, inconsistent UX and a vast amount of very low-quality plugins in the ecosystem. Then there's the extremely varied and confusing set of packages. There's even a mat…

Everything you wrote was true several years ago, but today it's no longer true. Eclipse is pretty stable now since it has OSGI under the hood. UX wise though it's still pretty crappy. I wouldn't be surprised if the new Android IDE is still Eclipse.

No it really isn't. At least not for me. Slooooow as all get out even with every tweak I could find. I hate the interface too.

Re: Introducing Android Studio

#139

Post by sigzero »

chaostheory wrote: post #131
davesims wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My last full-time experience with Eclipse was a year and a half ago, and it was worse than it has ever been. Plugins and package management are a nightmare, and that's a quagmire that you can't simply rewrite your way out of. Terrible plugin quality control has created an entire ecosystem of bad Eclipse UI/UX. As to OSGI -- that has been the core of Eclipse for nearly a decade, and IMO also a big part of the problem.…

what plugins are you using? I've been installing plugin after plugin and I've never run into any problems for the past five years now.

Sorry, I cannot even take that comment seriously.

Re: Introducing Android Studio

#140

Post by eropple »

p_l wrote: post #135
eropple wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is well-said. Something I say quite often when Eclipse/IntelliJ comes up: for a while, as an Eclipse and occasional NetBeans user, I thought that I really hated Java. After finding IntelliJ, I realized quite quickly that while I don't love Java (and I do have a laundry list of things-it-must-do-better), what I really hated were my IDEs. IntelliJ for Scala is also just straight-up brilliant. My only complaint is…

Hmm... other than some issues with disappearing completion windows (probably related to me running XMonad), I haven't really found it to be that ugly on linux... Maybe not very slick, but frankly speaking, for the benefits it's small price :D

Well, yeah, it's workable, but coming from IDEA on Mac it's really distractingly poor. Doesn't seem to matter what settings I tweak or fonts I use--Swing on Linux is just no fun.
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