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Re: Google Compute Engine available for everyone, App Engine adds PHP

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Given Google's reputation of awful customer support, why would anybody want to locked into their platform, especially when you have to do so many things the "app engine" way?

They have introduced upgraded "Support Packages" for a premium: https://cloud.google.com/support/packages

Re: Google Compute Engine available for everyone, App Engine adds PHP

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Which customers are you going after? People who want to play around with "hello worlds" with PHP or people who actually build powerful stuff. Either case, help me understand why PHP was a better choice vs. Javascript? If the question is barrier to entry. Then javascript should have the lowest. Anyone doing any web development needs to do something in HTML/Javascript/CSS. Additionally you could have made the case for…

Yes, PHP is only used for amateur useless projects like Facebook, Wikipedia, Drupal, WordPress ... Our projects on the other hand are too important for this low brow language.

All the stuff you are talking about are valid examples, but they are from 5-10 years ago. None of these probably will be built on PHP again. I can use the same reasoning and list some major critical applications and argue for Cobol, Fortan, etc. But it doesn't mean it's forward thinking.

Re: Google Compute Engine available for everyone, App Engine adds PHP

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Which customers are you going after? People who want to play around with "hello worlds" with PHP or people who actually build powerful stuff. Either case, help me understand why PHP was a better choice vs. Javascript? If the question is barrier to entry. Then javascript should have the lowest. Anyone doing any web development needs to do something in HTML/Javascript/CSS. Additionally you could have made the case for…

You can host HTML, javascript and CSS files to be run in the browser on GAE already, and have been able to do so since day 1. What you can't do is run javascript server side. Given the unique requirements of server side javascript, and the fact that the single dominant implementation is maintained by a competitor in this exact space, it isn't a great fit.

Serverside. Not static client side files.

Re: Google Compute Engine available for everyone, App Engine adds PHP

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I see a lot of people on here wondering why Google would just now add support to PHP. I don't work for Google, but I used to work at Microsoft. When Azure launched it tried to "leapfrog" the other cloud vendors by offering only Platform as a Service (PaaS). It offered superior benefits like high-reliability and geographic redundancy. Though, that was met with limited adoption. Why? Well, one of the major reasons was…

In related news, Google also just dropped Drive pricing to exactly 50% that of Dropbox. Looks like they're trying to monetize all that huge capacity they have floating around.

It's about time AWS had some serious competition.

Re: Google Compute Engine available for everyone, App Engine adds PHP

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PHP is popular because it's incredibly easy to get started for someone used to doing things with HTML. An HTML page can be renamed to .php, and that is a valid PHP page. For someone trying to go from HTML/CSS to the server side, PHP presents the path of least resistance. When using PHP, a lot of the basic data structure transforms are implemented in the core language. You can integrate simple server side functionalit…

You put it very lightly. It is not pedantry or elitist hackers, it is computer science . A sane engineer with a little bit of experience would not start off with PHP to build anything at all.

Facebook. Wikipedia. Yahoo.

Re: Google Compute Engine available for everyone, App Engine adds PHP

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PHP??? I would have thought javascript or Ruby would have made more sense.It seems like Google is just reacting to requests from 4 years ago. The App Engine has mades some decisions that seem to be contradictory. At one end, they drastically increased their prices and sent a signal the GAE was an enterprise-focused platform. Now, they're releasing PHP so people can host blogs on it. Really? You want to compete with $…

You can do JS and Ruby via a JVM-based runtime (jruby, or whatever for JS). Don't know how much uptake it has. I know I've seen proof of concepts of jruby on app engine, including with Rails.

I know you can but it's not clean. Also with Groovy on Grails early on there was some issues with timeouts if you're applicant wasn't popular, that was until GAE allowed to run a hot instance. Probably why it didn't have an uptake.

Also, anyone who is doing javascript is probably avoiding java and doesn't want to figure out how to put the right files together to deploy such an application.

Re: Google Compute Engine available for everyone, App Engine adds PHP

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You put it very lightly. It is not pedantry or elitist hackers, it is computer science . A sane engineer with a little bit of experience would not start off with PHP to build anything at all.

Facebook. Wikipedia. Yahoo.

Were either of the first two started by "a sane engineer with a bit of experience"?

Inertia is powerful.

Re: Google Compute Engine available for everyone, App Engine adds PHP

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Given Google's reputation of awful customer support, why would anybody want to locked into their platform, especially when you have to do so many things the "app engine" way?

You can run Django on top of AppEngine and port your app to any number of Django hosts with minimal changes. I just talked to a startup founder who started out on AppEngine and just recently switched to Heroku.

Re: Google Compute Engine available for everyone, App Engine adds PHP

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Facebook. Wikipedia. Yahoo.

Were either of the first two started by "a sane engineer with a bit of experience"? Inertia is powerful.

Perfect is the enemy of good enough. Doesn't matter what your site is coded in if it isn't revenue positive/have funding/etc.

Re: Google Compute Engine available for everyone, App Engine adds PHP

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I just signed up here: https://gaeforphp.appspot.com/

Whoops, I thought the question was about Compute Engine. Yes, you can sign up for PHP on App Engine at the link you provided.

It was about Compute Engine actually. For those who are interested, the GCE page says registration opens at 6PM PST on May 15th, 2013.
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