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Re: How Twitter Helps Me (Specific Use Cases)

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Post by vorador » Mon, Apr 20, 2009, 4:59 PM UTC

epi0Bauqu wrote: post #3

rarestnews wrote: post #2

[I really regret writing this post as it started a flame war. Sorry, didn't want to start flame.] WTH? 8 _SPECIFIC_ USEFUL cases mentioned in article: [1. I joined T. and started talking where I was. I was corrected. Useful!] -incorrect, corrected to "nonrecursive" clarification below, my apologies 2. It can repeat my Facebook status. Now I never forget what I'm doing. Useful! 3. I monitor twitter search about "Duck…

I really don't appreciate this kind of sarcasm on HN. And your sarcasm, quite frankly, I don't get. I get asked a lot what makes Twitter useful. So I wrote up the specific uses wherein I find it helpful. (Oh, and btw, you'll find more useful tweets at http://search.twitter.com/search?q=duckduckgo )

I really don't appreciate this kind of post on hn. Do you think there haven't been enough submissions about twitter ?

And besides, I've always found rude submitting links to his own blog.

Re: How Twitter Helps Me (Specific Use Cases)

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Post by epi0Bauqu » Mon, Apr 20, 2009, 5:00 PM UTC

rarestnews wrote: post #10

epi0Bauqu wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that more sarcasm? Seriously, I can't tell.

Neither sarcasm, nor direct statement. Just a way to stop argument that would lead us both nowhere. We have different beliefs. I'm not planning of convincing you to my point-of-view (it would pretty much be impossible and also useless for me, I'm not running a religion) and your arguments don't convince me.

Convince you of what? That I don't believe myself that I find Twitter useful in those cases?

Re: How Twitter Helps Me (Specific Use Cases)

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Post by epi0Bauqu » Mon, Apr 20, 2009, 5:05 PM UTC

vorador wrote: post #11

epi0Bauqu wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't appreciate this kind of sarcasm on HN. And your sarcasm, quite frankly, I don't get. I get asked a lot what makes Twitter useful. So I wrote up the specific uses wherein I find it helpful. (Oh, and btw, you'll find more useful tweets at http://search.twitter.com/search?q=duckduckgo )

I really don't appreciate this kind of post on hn. Do you think there haven't been enough submissions about twitter ? And besides, I've always found rude submitting links to his own blog.

Wow, HN has indeed changed. I thought it would be interesting to the community. Sorry. I'm basing that on previous stories and questions like this one: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=182755

Re: How Twitter Helps Me (Specific Use Cases)

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Post by vorador » Mon, Apr 20, 2009, 5:14 PM UTC

epi0Bauqu wrote: post #13

vorador wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't appreciate this kind of post on hn. Do you think there haven't been enough submissions about twitter ? And besides, I've always found rude submitting links to his own blog.

Wow, HN has indeed changed. I thought it would be interesting to the community. Sorry. I'm basing that on previous stories and questions like this one: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=182755

According to searchyc.com, sixteen twitter-related links were submitted since yesterday. This is really too much, and besides, 90 % of the links say the same thing. You should consider that before posting or maybe delay your posting.

Re: How Twitter Helps Me (Specific Use Cases)

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Post by nonrecursive » Mon, Apr 20, 2009, 5:18 PM UTC

rarestnews wrote: post #2

[I really regret writing this post as it started a flame war. Sorry, didn't want to start flame.] WTH? 8 _SPECIFIC_ USEFUL cases mentioned in article: [1. I joined T. and started talking where I was. I was corrected. Useful!] -incorrect, corrected to "nonrecursive" clarification below, my apologies 2. It can repeat my Facebook status. Now I never forget what I'm doing. Useful! 3. I monitor twitter search about "Duck…

Your sarcastic summary is pretty inaccurate. It's up to the readers to determine if Gabriel's examples actually demonstrate usefulness, but it doesn't help that you mischaracterize his examples. Here are some corrections:

1. Your summary doesn't even really make sense as a coherent thought. The author actually says that he showed up 8 hours early for a meetup and a friend told him of his mistake. IMO not wasting a lot of time wondering where everyone is is useful.

2. Gabriel never says anything about not being able to remember what he's doing, and your implication that he's a moron is pretty ridiculous. Incidentally, a lot of people use twitter this way.

3. In the article itself he mentions that someone gave a bug report over twitter. Again, this is another common practice. Even if the author hasn't yet found any useful tweets (he has), he undoubtedly will in the future.

4. Your comment is ambiguous. Gabriel mentions that twitter is another tool for communicating with customers. Believe it or not, when people are interested in a product or service they like to get updates about it.

5. Gabriel doesn't use Twitter itself as an ice-breaker, but others' tweets. "Hey, nice to meet you. Yeah I started following you because of what you wrote about ninja turtles. I like ninja turtles too!"

6. ...

7. Completely inaccurate. Author wrote, "I don't really have that many, but with the amount I do have it is enough to get benefit when spreading news and links about my company or otherwise."

Re: How Twitter Helps Me (Specific Use Cases)

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Post by rarestnews » Mon, Apr 20, 2009, 5:20 PM UTC

epi0Bauqu wrote: post #12

rarestnews wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neither sarcasm, nor direct statement. Just a way to stop argument that would lead us both nowhere. We have different beliefs. I'm not planning of convincing you to my point-of-view (it would pretty much be impossible and also useless for me, I'm not running a religion) and your arguments don't convince me.

Convince you of what? That I don't believe myself that I find Twitter useful in those cases?

I'm posting this only cause you asked, not to start flame war. Like I said don't want to convince you to my opinion (and it would be impossible).

...convince me that Twitter is more useful than harmful (especially to your time and self-assessment), I'd rather have 1 real-life friend and 1 real-life enemy tell me their opinion about my startup, than any sampling of random 1000 Twitter followers. I might prefer opinion of HN readers (smart guys here), but not the ranks of people reading Kutcher's tweets or things like fart-tweeting chairs. I tried reading the smartest folks, but even they struggle to tell some coherent thought in 140 chars. Then it turns out, those guys aren't really there, but rather ghostwriters. And Shaq. Who as great basketball player as he is - isn't exactly the mastermind. So, who else are Twitting? Oprah. Give me a break.

Twittering is just another way to passively entertain yourself, like TV. Just like TV remote - you have to press a few buttons occasionally and show goes on - a lot of fluff-fluff-fluff, then maybe something useful and then again 59 minutes 45 seconds of fluff. Hardly worth spending hour to go through fluff (commercials in TV case or what your "follower" ate for breakfast or who he's in petty war against who to reach 1M followers in case of Twitter). It's just not worth the time spent.

In my opinion - if you want opinion on your startup.. Add UserVoice. Do you want to promote it? Buy ads or do some smart marketing that doesn't require money. Using Twitter you're just following the herd which spends 99% of their time on useless reading of other peoples... let's call them.. thoughts.. or Re-Thhooughts in many cases.

Once again I remind you that this is my BELIEF and I couldn't convince you of that and you won't convince me of opposite using arguments you presented. So, let's just move our own ways.

Re: How Twitter Helps Me (Specific Use Cases)

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Post by nonrecursive » Mon, Apr 20, 2009, 5:32 PM UTC

rarestnews wrote: post #16

epi0Bauqu wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Convince you of what? That I don't believe myself that I find Twitter useful in those cases?

I'm posting this only cause you asked, not to start flame war. Like I said don't want to convince you to my opinion (and it would be impossible). ...convince me that Twitter is more useful than harmful (especially to your time and self-assessment), I'd rather have 1 real-life friend and 1 real-life enemy tell me their opinion about my startup, than any sampling of random 1000 Twitter followers. I might prefer opinion…

First, I don't believe the article was meant to be persuasive. As the OP mentions, he's had people ask him about how he uses twitter and he wrote the article to answer that question. I don't understand why you've assumed a confrontational attitude from the get-go.

Second, this comment is more useful than your first. Even though it's not responding to anything in the actual article, you at least give your opinion and reasons for it. As opposed to writing, "THIS ISN'T USEFUL!!! COME ON!?" Your comment is also useful to me personally because I find twitter useful and seeing your objections to it has caused me to think about and clarify my reasons for appreciating twitter.

Re: How Twitter Helps Me (Specific Use Cases)

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Post by rarestnews » Mon, Apr 20, 2009, 5:44 PM UTC

nonrecursive wrote: post #15

rarestnews wrote: post #2

[I really regret writing this post as it started a flame war. Sorry, didn't want to start flame.] WTH? 8 _SPECIFIC_ USEFUL cases mentioned in article: [1. I joined T. and started talking where I was. I was corrected. Useful!] -incorrect, corrected to "nonrecursive" clarification below, my apologies 2. It can repeat my Facebook status. Now I never forget what I'm doing. Useful! 3. I monitor twitter search about "Duck…

Your sarcastic summary is pretty inaccurate. It's up to the readers to determine if Gabriel's examples actually demonstrate usefulness, but it doesn't help that you mischaracterize his examples. Here are some corrections: 1. Your summary doesn't even really make sense as a coherent thought. The author actually says that he showed up 8 hours early for a meetup and a friend told him of his mistake. IMO not wasting a lo…

Changed original comment based on 1. Upvoted your comment too. Still disagree on rest. People will figure out. Also not going to comment on HN ever. All this flame about beliefs isn't worth the time.

Twitter is religion :) Thou shalt not try to convert.

Last question: is there a way to delete HN account?