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#11
In the beginning, I thought these kind of incidents would be the end of the service.

A lot of the people using Kickstarter to raise capital for their projects appear out of their depth, if not in the first instance, certainly when their project takes off and they end up raising many times what they anticipated.

Re: Kickstarter project raised $196K and stopped responding

#12

Notwithstanding all the hype and legitimate positives of crowd sourcing, this is the very real negative side. Kickstarter gives unfettered access to funds, which more often than not is required by a given project, and they indemnify themselves and further remove themselves from the funding transactions (a legal requisite for anyone not wanting to be tied up in litigation for the rest of their known life). Perhaps the…

Looks like someone needs to start kickescrow.com

Re: Kickstarter project raised $196K and stopped responding

#13
post #4

This seems insane that Kickstarter doesn't have a policy on this. Guess all investments have some level of 'risk' to them.

They do have a policy; a policy that keeps them away from legal trouble, a policy of non-involvement. What you are seeing is that policy at work.

Re: Kickstarter project raised $196K and stopped responding

#14
post #4

This seems insane that Kickstarter doesn't have a policy on this. Guess all investments have some level of 'risk' to them.

True.

And what if instead of disappearing, the company had simply tried (in good faith) and failed to deliver. The users would still be pissed off because they felt like they paid for something and the company didn't deliver.

The big problem I see with Kickstarter is that both users & companies see it like a pre-order service. Too often it's used this way and people end up pissed. In the eyes of the backers, they aren't paying to see something new created. They're pre-ordering a product they think would be cool.

If anything, kickstarter should enforce some sort of limits for perks to curb this sort of abuse.

Re: Kickstarter project raised $196K and stopped responding

#15
There is a simple solution to this problem. Don't allow project creators to offer the project as a reward! It should be ok for people to try and fail with projects on Kickstarter. By preventing creators from offering the product as a reward backers will understand better that it isn't a pre-order system. It's an "I need money for this idea. It might work or it might fail but if you want to help me try, give me money" system.

Re: Kickstarter project raised $196K and stopped responding

#16
The project has reached a $196K funding while the initial goal was "only" $12K. Maybe Kickstarter should limit the amount of money to this initial goal, or at least to twice the amount of this goal.

If a project looks promising, more people are likely to pledge for it. But if Cryptrade thought $12K was enough to develop their project, that's probably all they actually needed. And $12K is both less tempting for Cryptrade to just disappear and less penalizing to everyone who pledged for the project.

Re: Kickstarter project raised $196K and stopped responding

#17
I think the tricky situation here is one of positioning. Of course Kickstarter wants something as close to what a payments platform might get in terms of accountability for the transaction, but they're providing a curated marketplace for these projects. Closer to eBay or AirBnB... both of which have ended up with really similar challenges to tackle.

At the very least it seems like it shouldn't be that challenging for them to at least be prepared to aggressively deal with flat-out fraud.

Re: Kickstarter project raised $196K and stopped responding

#18
post #4

This seems insane that Kickstarter doesn't have a policy on this. Guess all investments have some level of 'risk' to them.

As far as I can tell, they basically want backers to be comfortable with 100% risk. I think this is a reasonable position.

If it's unreasonable people shouldn't back projects. The creator is also taking risk investing time and usually their own money into the project. If it fails they lose that investment and the backers lose their investment. Kickstarter needs to make it more clear to backers the risk involved and that they aren't pre-ordering anything. They are giving someone money and hoping they can successfully create something with it.

Re: Kickstarter project raised $196K and stopped responding

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post #16

The project has reached a $196K funding while the initial goal was "only" $12K. Maybe Kickstarter should limit the amount of money to this initial goal, or at least to twice the amount of this goal. If a project looks promising, more people are likely to pledge for it. But if Cryptrade thought $12K was enough to develop their project, that's probably all they actually needed. And $12K is both less tempting for Cryptr…

Since Kickstarter gets a 5% cut, they have no incentive to limit the amount of funding.

Re: Kickstarter project raised $196K and stopped responding

#20

Notwithstanding all the hype and legitimate positives of crowd sourcing, this is the very real negative side. Kickstarter gives unfettered access to funds, which more often than not is required by a given project, and they indemnify themselves and further remove themselves from the funding transactions (a legal requisite for anyone not wanting to be tied up in litigation for the rest of their known life). Perhaps the…

Maybe even only release 50% of the funds initially and hold the rest in escrow until a given set of circumstances are met. That way the users are exposed to less risk knowing they could get half of their funding back.

On the downside, if this keeps happening, users aren't going to back as many projects, and fewer projects will be successfully funded (which may or may not actually be a bad thing).

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