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Florida shortened yellow lights to increase red light camera revenue [video]

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Re: Florida shortened yellow lights to increase red light camera revenue [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Driving through a yellow light is not illegal. Also, is shortening yellows actually making the roads safer or is it just a way to increase revenues? Seems like one likely cause of shorter yellow lights is that more people make harder stops at intersections, result in more rear-end collisions.

In many places, such as where I grew up in Ohio, the language regarding yellow lights is to "clear the intersection", and that if you are able to stop, you must not enter an intersection when presented with a yellow light. In other words, treat it like a red light, unless you absolutely cannot stop. Of course in practice most folks will go for it if they think they can clear the intersection in time. Some may even ac…

>Some may even accelerate, and having excessively long yellow lights may encourage that behavior even more, despite it being illegal.

If you are in doubt about whether you can safely stop when the light turns yellow (and you have very little time to make that judgment), it's much safer to err on the side of running it.

The longer the yellow light is, the more likely you are to be able to correctly judge whether you can stop on time. The shorter yellow lights are in your area, the more likely you are to to slam on the brakes to avoid running the red light. Slamming on the brakes is far more dangerous than running a freshly changed red light, to say nothing of running a yellow.

Re: Florida shortened yellow lights to increase red light camera revenue [video]

#62
This is a perfect example of mismatched incentives.

When a deterrent is working, you get very few violations. Rewarding the detection of violations is incentivizing exactly the wrong thing. You're rewarding for making things worse!

I don't know what incentives would work, in the case of red light cameras.

- Accuracy on unmarked test cars going through the intersection? (testing is expensive)

- Clamping the income from fines below some threshold? (the threshold might be manipulated)

- Rewarding low accident rates relative to other intersections? (probably too unstable)

Re: Florida shortened yellow lights to increase red light camera revenue [video]

#63
The actual video from these camera should not be admitted as they violate the rules of evidence. Out of 1,000 cases this attorney from the Ticket Clinic claims to have won all 1,000 on this argument alone. I have yet to take one to court, but I imagine I will, as an FL attorney not a violator.

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/learn-secret-how-you-can...

Re: Florida shortened yellow lights to increase red light camera revenue [video]

#64
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This is unsafe for pedestrians. The yellow light means "Clear the intersection," not "Slow down." The purpose is to give time to people crossing the sidewalks to finish walking over to the other side. Shortening them is a safety hazard for pedestrians like me who don't own a vehicle. I don't live in Florida, but this is shameful and disgusting.

For some reason, that has never occurred to me. That is an excellent point that reducing the yellow not only increases the likelihood of traffic accidents but of problems for pedestrians as well.

Re: Florida shortened yellow lights to increase red light camera revenue [video]

#65

An appropriate partial quote of Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged: “Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken." "But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt."

After you turn 14 you'll realize there is actually never an appropriate moment for an Ayn Rand quote.

After you turn 30 you realize that not everyone will believe what you do or be right about everything, but when they are right about one thing and you disregard it 'out of principle', you look the fool.

Re: Florida shortened yellow lights to increase red light camera revenue [video]

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I can't wait for self-driving cars to become commonplace. Wonder how much of a hit these departments that rely so much on red light camera and speeding tickets will take.

It's not only that. A good buddy of mine is a criminal defence lawyer. He says that a goodly portion of his drug-related cases begin with traffic stops. By goodly portion, I mean 50+%. We've talked about it at length. There would be major changes in law enforcement practices if automated cars obviated trivial traffic law enforcement stops.

Nah, they'll just start pulling cars over to check the firmware on your car to make sure it's up to date.

Re: Florida shortened yellow lights to increase red light camera revenue [video]

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This is a terrible abuse that pisses me off. But it still struck me as funny how many of us HN's (self included) jumped to the defense of Weebly for "optimizing revenue" in the "When a Startup Sends a Passive-Aggressive Email Every Day " story that was trending earlier today (1) If Florida's red-light system was my start-up I'd be pretty damned pleased with myself for figuring out how to drive more revenue with "no c…

Slight difference, of many: Spams aren't causing traffic accidents.

Neither are yellow lights. Cross streets don't turn green until the yellow is gone.

Re: Florida shortened yellow lights to increase red light camera revenue [video]

#68
The problem with red light cameras is that they encourage blind obedience to rigid traffic laws, and not driving safely as dictated by the road conditions. There are plenty of legal situations where a driver might "run" a red without having done anything "illegal" or dangerous, such as getting caught in the middle of an intersection. I'm in favor of ripping them all down, as their only real function is to suck money out of the taxpayers pockets.

Re: Florida shortened yellow lights to increase red light camera revenue [video]

#69
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After you turn 14 you'll realize there is actually never an appropriate moment for an Ayn Rand quote.

I have never read Ayn Rand, but I have heard of her before. Why are such quotes inappropriate?

I believe that many left-leaning political types strongly dislike and attempt to discredit Ayn Rand because they vehemently disagree with her political philosophy. A common criticism is that her philosophy sounds good when you are a child, but when you grow up you realize it doesn't work in the real world.

For myself, I'm a 40 year old that leans Libertarian so I tend to agree with some of her political philosophy. I even tried reading Atlas Shrugged but it was so boring I put it down after about 100 pages.

Re: Florida shortened yellow lights to increase red light camera revenue [video]

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post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After you turn 14 you'll realize there is actually never an appropriate moment for an Ayn Rand quote.

And at another point, possibly later, you realize that blind rejection is just as intellectually lazy as blind acceptance.

Blind rejection is a useful heuristic, and avoiding effort is not necessarily laziness.

I drive rather than walking everywhere because I have better things to do with my time. I ignore, rather than specifically evaluating Ayn Rand quotes because I have better things to do with my time.

Oh sure, she might have accidentally said something both true and interesting every once in a while. And Mathgen[0] might accidentally produce a valid proof, if you run it enough times.

[0]: http://thatsmathematics.com/mathgen/

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