Live data from Hacker News

Science Is Broken

scienceisbroken.org

21–29 of 29 posts

Re: Science Is Broken

#21
post #4

Serious question: What is the point of this site?

Classic science was conducted to gain knowledge for the sake of knowledge. Modern 'science' is conducted to serve an economic purpose. Classic science is on the decline in favor of result-driven studies.

I'm not sure if I agree. There are many examples of science and math being developed to solve problems. Pasteur's Quadrant is an interesting book on the dual nature of science for the sake of science and science for the sake of applications.

Re: Science Is Broken

#22
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For instance I was surprised that a postdoc scientist makes roughly the same as a McDonalds Store Manager (~$39k). The joys of supply and demand.

The McDonald's Store Manager is helping feed people. What is the average postdoc doing for the world? (I say this as a postdoc)

Idk about 'average' (what does the average [insert any classification of person] do for the world?), but here is an example of a postdoc feeding the world

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Borlaug

edit: i just realized there is a "billions served" joke in there somewhere...

Re: Science Is Broken

#23
post #4

Serious question: What is the point of this site?

I don't know and cannot find anything like an "about" page. It could be humor. It could be venting. It could be some guy managing a McDonald's trying to tell relatives to get off his back about the career they thought he should pursue. Unless someone here is the creator, knows the creator, or can provide a link to an interview, I don't think we can answer that.

Re: Science Is Broken

#24
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The McDonald's Store Manager is helping feed people. What is the average postdoc doing for the world? (I say this as a postdoc)

Idk about 'average' (what does the average [insert any classification of person] do for the world?), but here is an example of a postdoc feeding the world https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Borlaug edit: i just realized there is a "billions served" joke in there somewhere...

actually, no. Borlaug went straight from his PhD into industry (worked for DuPont), then did some wartime stuff. The "postdoc" as a career stage did not exist at the time, most PhDs went into industry or straight into academic research as a professor. The postdoc, I think is an emergent phenomenon that is resulting from the broader academic bubble, largely fueled by several countries' nationalistic fervor to "produce PhDs" as a measurement of national greatness. The consequences have been quite bad.

Re: Science Is Broken

#25
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Idk about 'average' (what does the average [insert any classification of person] do for the world?), but here is an example of a postdoc feeding the world https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Borlaug edit: i just realized there is a "billions served" joke in there somewhere...

actually, no. Borlaug went straight from his PhD into industry (worked for DuPont), then did some wartime stuff. The "postdoc" as a career stage did not exist at the time, most PhDs went into industry or straight into academic research as a professor. The postdoc, I think is an emergent phenomenon that is resulting from the broader academic bubble, largely fueled by several countries' nationalistic fervor to "produce…

whoops, I stand corrected. Thank you. He is still a good example of science working well for the world. (even if it is born out of industry)

Re: Science Is Broken

#27
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

actually, no. Borlaug went straight from his PhD into industry (worked for DuPont), then did some wartime stuff. The "postdoc" as a career stage did not exist at the time, most PhDs went into industry or straight into academic research as a professor. The postdoc, I think is an emergent phenomenon that is resulting from the broader academic bubble, largely fueled by several countries' nationalistic fervor to "produce…

whoops, I stand corrected. Thank you. He is still a good example of science working well for the world. (even if it is born out of industry)

yup, I completely agree, but I think since that era the structure of science research has changed to the point where examples like him are liable to be few and far between.

Re: Science Is Broken

#28

Skimmed around the site for all of 30 seconds and saw this [1]: > Only 0.1% of published exploratory research is estimated to be reproducible. Which sounds downright absurd . Only one in one thousand studies are even in principle able to be performed again? So I followed the reference. As far as I can tell, it doesn't say that. Based on skimming the reference[2], I think the 0.1% number comes from the section "An Exa…

(Oops) I said p-values above when I meant probability-of-being-true instead of probability-of-null-hypothesis-being-true-given-data.

Re: Science Is Broken

#29
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Idk about 'average' (what does the average [insert any classification of person] do for the world?), but here is an example of a postdoc feeding the world https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Borlaug edit: i just realized there is a "billions served" joke in there somewhere...

actually, no. Borlaug went straight from his PhD into industry (worked for DuPont), then did some wartime stuff. The "postdoc" as a career stage did not exist at the time, most PhDs went into industry or straight into academic research as a professor. The postdoc, I think is an emergent phenomenon that is resulting from the broader academic bubble, largely fueled by several countries' nationalistic fervor to "produce…

Here is an example of a postdoc who went on to do great things:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Lindquist

Post reply on HN