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Re: Another user/developer banned from GNOME's bugzilla without any warning

#81

Post by skrebbel »

Nursie wrote: post #63
skrebbel wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good post, and I've little to add but the following: First, the world isn't running on Linux. Webservers are, but software techology is a lot more than stuff on web servers. For example, i work in embedded software, mostly for relatively large machines (ATMs, multifunctional copiers, industrial machines that turn stuff into other stuff), and Linux isn't that common there. The most common setup is some (micro)controll…

>> "First, the world isn't running on Linux." A significant portion of it is now. Maybe not desktop linux with gnome/kde/xfce/whatever, but it is in a lot of places. It's on a lot of home networking gear (NAS, routers etc), it runs a lot of the server room and has even found a home on mainframes. It's also in supercomputers and in a lot of consumer electronics these days (Android phones, kindle touch and I assume pap…

Hmm, good point. I blatantly assumed that you said what you said because you'd ascribe to the common HN idea that "tech == server + app/browser". My bad!

Nice list of examples.

Btw, I'm pretty familiar with using Linux as a server/embedded OS - the reluctance I uttered before was indeed very much about using it myself as a consumer OS - which is what these flamewars all seem to be about.

Re: Another user/developer banned from GNOME's bugzilla without any warning

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Post by skrebbel »

reinhardt wrote: post #58
skrebbel wrote: post #28

Mostly off topic: is it just my filter bubble, or does this flavor of deep, hate-ridden flamewar only show up in OSS projects that touch end users? I mean, on the server side, the worst kind of flamewar I've seen is TJ Holowaychuk disagreeing with Rails defaulting to CoffeeScript. It got us some drama and pictures of cats. But end-user OSS? That's been a pit of hate and anger ever since Torvalds posted a kernel to so…

Maybe I'm too thick-skinned but calling this particular exchange a "deep, hate-ridden flamewar" is overly dramatic.

Fair enough!

Re: Another user/developer banned from GNOME's bugzilla without any warning

#83

Post by Nursie »

skrebbel wrote: post #81
Nursie wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> "First, the world isn't running on Linux." A significant portion of it is now. Maybe not desktop linux with gnome/kde/xfce/whatever, but it is in a lot of places. It's on a lot of home networking gear (NAS, routers etc), it runs a lot of the server room and has even found a home on mainframes. It's also in supercomputers and in a lot of consumer electronics these days (Android phones, kindle touch and I assume pap…

Hmm, good point. I blatantly assumed that you said what you said because you'd ascribe to the common HN idea that "tech == server + app/browser". My bad! Nice list of examples. Btw, I'm pretty familiar with using Linux as a server/embedded OS - the reluctance I uttered before was indeed very much about using it myself as a consumer OS - which is what these flamewars all seem to be about.

Ach, fair enough, if you can find your way around linux on the server you can have a stab at finding your way around it anywhere else.

What you use on your desktop comes down to personal preference and it's hard to think of many advantages to linux on the desktop compared to other environments, unless you're a habitual tinkerer like myself...

Re: Another user/developer banned from GNOME's bugzilla without any warning

#84

Post by jjs »

jcape wrote: post #80
jjs wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It reveals the culture behind the infamous "No.", so it's topical. (And presumably the ban is still in effect.)

FC seemingly goes out of his way to act like an ass, and he got himself banned from a bug reporting tool for it. According to another link in these comments, he was also banned from pidgin's IRC channel, and a friend of mine banned him from his G+ feeds. FC getting banned from GNOME's bugzilla isn't a GNOME thing, it's an FC thing.

GNOME needs a gadfly like him. Or rather, needed.

If GNOME's developers have truly become indifferent or outright hostile to the needs of actual users, then the project is doomed to irrelevance.

Re: Another user/developer banned from GNOME's bugzilla without any warning

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Post by chewit »

bkor wrote: post #68
beedogs wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

try behaving the way you behaved on bugzilla at a conference.

I have invited people to conferences before. They never show up. I behave the same in real life as on Internet. I'll say it again: Go to FOSDEM, go to the GNOME stand. I'll be near the stand most of the afternoon. Pretty nice to judge people over the Internet, as said, try talking to me in real life, making a real judgement.

You saying they never show up as if it's directly related to your challenge rather than the fact that they probably have a billion things they'd rather be doing than going to a conference and getting in an argument is pretty laughable.

No comment on the rest, except to say that thinking you could have someone kicked out of a conference for their tone is a bit funny. Felipe is abrasive (though not incorrect, in my view) and not someone I would like to work with but you are not winning any friends for yourself or the project with your attitude.

Re: Another user/developer banned from GNOME's bugzilla without any warning

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Post by chewit »

felipec wrote: post #59
merlish wrote: post #15

Felipe, I'm completely unsurprised you got banned. This post is just continuation of the behaviour you can't see. People are human. It doesn't matter if you're technically in the right, or that you think things should be some way - if you piss people off, they are going to tell you to stop pissing them off and then eventually they will do something rash. In this post you just drag out the dirty laundry again and go t…

Whatever happened outside bugzilla should have stayed outside bugzilla. In GNOME's bugzilla I always provided value, and to ban me because of a couple of comments that have nothing wrong is overkill. Do you think it would be fair if a judge ordered jail time because you didn't clean the dishes? No. Domestic issues are domestic issues, and criminal issues are criminal issues. But good riddance, I'm better served helpi…

No but would it be reasonable to be fired from a job if one was causing inconvenience to their higher-ups elsewhere so much that they didn't want to work with you? Probably.

Edit: not saying I think you should have been banned for this because frankly, I think you were right to begin with, just pointing out that your legality comparisons are not always reasonable.

Re: Another user/developer banned from GNOME's bugzilla without any warning

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Post by jcape »

jjs wrote: post #84
jcape wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FC seemingly goes out of his way to act like an ass, and he got himself banned from a bug reporting tool for it. According to another link in these comments, he was also banned from pidgin's IRC channel, and a friend of mine banned him from his G+ feeds. FC getting banned from GNOME's bugzilla isn't a GNOME thing, it's an FC thing.

GNOME needs a gadfly like him. Or rather, needed. If GNOME's developers have truly become indifferent or outright hostile to the needs of actual users, then the project is doomed to irrelevance.

Nonsense. No project, open or closed, needs a non-contributing pain in the ass, injecting his (and it is always his) nonsense into every single discussion, forcing every conversation back onto whatever topic they felt they lost the last time, regardless of existing consensus, regardless of the lack of new information, and regardless of who is actually doing the work.

Also, I'd like to meet people that don't resort to emotional blackmail in order to try and force nerds to provide them free goods or services.

And I'd also like a pony.

Re: Another user/developer banned from GNOME's bugzilla without any warning

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Post by jjs »

jcape wrote: post #87
jjs wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GNOME needs a gadfly like him. Or rather, needed. If GNOME's developers have truly become indifferent or outright hostile to the needs of actual users, then the project is doomed to irrelevance.

Nonsense. No project, open or closed, needs a non-contributing pain in the ass, injecting his (and it is always his) nonsense into every single discussion, forcing every conversation back onto whatever topic they felt they lost the last time, regardless of existing consensus, regardless of the lack of new information, and regardless of who is actually doing the work. Also, I'd like to meet people that don't resort to…

His attempt to restore a culture of listening to users is not a non-contribution; it could have saved GNOME.

Re: Another user/developer banned from GNOME's bugzilla without any warning

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Post by jcape »

jjs wrote: post #88
jcape wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nonsense. No project, open or closed, needs a non-contributing pain in the ass, injecting his (and it is always his) nonsense into every single discussion, forcing every conversation back onto whatever topic they felt they lost the last time, regardless of existing consensus, regardless of the lack of new information, and regardless of who is actually doing the work. Also, I'd like to meet people that don't resort to…

His attempt to restore a culture of listening to users is not a non-contribution; it could have saved GNOME.

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Re: Another user/developer banned from GNOME's bugzilla without any warning

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Post by felipec »

chewit wrote: post #86
felipec wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whatever happened outside bugzilla should have stayed outside bugzilla. In GNOME's bugzilla I always provided value, and to ban me because of a couple of comments that have nothing wrong is overkill. Do you think it would be fair if a judge ordered jail time because you didn't clean the dishes? No. Domestic issues are domestic issues, and criminal issues are criminal issues. But good riddance, I'm better served helpi…

No but would it be reasonable to be fired from a job if one was causing inconvenience to their higher-ups elsewhere so much that they didn't want to work with you? Probably. Edit: not saying I think you should have been banned for this because frankly, I think you were right to begin with, just pointing out that your legality comparisons are not always reasonable.

Maybe, but it would be illegal. Just like it would be illegal to send me to jail in Mexico, for something I did in Turkey.
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