@filipec: Dude, that was two years ago. You're still on about that?
Another user/developer banned from GNOME's bugzilla without any warning
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Re: Another user/developer banned from GNOME's bugzilla without any warning
#12It's hard to tell if GNOME developers are defensive because they are under attack or if they are under attack because they are defensive. Bottom line: These people, weather they are arrogant, impolite or unsympathetic to users does not refute the fact that they are giving their time to the project. GNOME has been under fire since the famous GNOME 3 release and I would understand the remaining developers to be a littl…
FWIW, I totally agree that just a "No." is bad, entirely understand what it resulted in. However, going after a developer in a bugreport is not tolerable behaviour as well.
Re: Another user/developer banned from GNOME's bugzilla without any warning
#13Playing the devil's advocate in a way: I'm not surprised that he got the ban. After Olav wanted to stop polluting the topic with this meta discussion about "tone" and "speculation", Felipe kept going on anyway, about how complaining about "tone" is unsophisticated (which is actually getting personal). It made him come off as wanting the last word, and that, I think, made them trigger the ban. Of course, whether or no…
Last word syndrome:
http://pidgin.10357.n7.nabble.com/Why-am-I-banned-td99926.ht...
Re: Another user/developer banned from GNOME's bugzilla without any warning
#14Playing the devil's advocate in a way: I'm not surprised that he got the ban. After Olav wanted to stop polluting the topic with this meta discussion about "tone" and "speculation", Felipe kept going on anyway, about how complaining about "tone" is unsophisticated (which is actually getting personal). It made him come off as wanting the last word, and that, I think, made them trigger the ban. Of course, whether or no…
s/Olaf/Olav/g Pretty easy: "please stop". Person does not. Then ok, bye from me. And yeah, I'm the one you're talking about. And Felipe got banned by one of his best friends on Google+. Apparently really good friend in reality, terrible on Internet. Enough said IMO.
If you're Olav; apologies for misspelling your name. I went ahead and fixed those.
Re: Another user/developer banned from GNOME's bugzilla without any warning
#15Felipe, I'm completely unsurprised you got banned. This post is just continuation of the behaviour you can't see.
People are human. It doesn't matter if you're technically in the right, or that you think things should be some way - if you piss people off, they are going to tell you to stop pissing them off and then eventually they will do something rash.
In this post you just drag out the dirty laundry again and go through it painstakingly, and then post it to a public forum (HN) for everyone to see.
Just learn to let things go, for God's sake. You wouldn't have been banned if you just said 'sorry' or 'ok, let's agree to disagree' and started talking constructively.
Your goal is to talk them round to your point of view, not make them never want to talk to you again for fear of you blowing things way out of proportion.
Re: Another user/developer banned from GNOME's bugzilla without any warning
#16Crazy to see Felipe banned, but then he's always been one for expressing a strong opinion... strongly. Love his technical posts, been reading for over a year now.
Also, GNOME seems to be having a difference of opinion with the loud minority (or is it a majority? I honestly don't know), about how they run the project. Is that a problem? I think so, but then one of my favourite projects (Elementary OS) is run similarly... and it works well there.
The difference is, GNOME has been around forever, and I think end users feel invested in it. Over the past couple of years, it feels like it's been "taken away". Whether or not that is correct is up for you to decide. I'm not fussed either way: I use Unity ;)
Re: Another user/developer banned from GNOME's bugzilla without any warning
#17I'm curious, has there been any kind of response from the GNOME team about the now-infamous "No"?
Re: Another user/developer banned from GNOME's bugzilla without any warning
#18I banned GNOME from my desktop also without any warning.
Re: Another user/developer banned from GNOME's bugzilla without any warning
#19And this is what happen when two dicks-wannabe nerds meet online. I'm tired of watching argues like this.
Re: Another user/developer banned from GNOME's bugzilla without any warning
#20Felipe, I'm completely unsurprised you got banned. This post is just continuation of the behaviour you can't see. People are human. It doesn't matter if you're technically in the right, or that you think things should be some way - if you piss people off, they are going to tell you to stop pissing them off and then eventually they will do something rash. In this post you just drag out the dirty laundry again and go t…
"Your goal is to talk them round to your point of view, not make them never want to talk to you again for fear of you blowing things way out of proportion."
I'd like to think that one's goal is to improve any ecosystem/community and talking them round to your point of view could be one of them. I say this because of one of many things: you _could_ be wrong, the community isn't ready to accept the idea, etc. If you're facing a lot of resistance, it never hurts to back off and reassess, because although you possess the knowledge and insight into how to make things better, it is probably your job as well to make sure everybody knows in the most efficient way possible.
And yes, I agree, scaring colleagues/peers off is never a good thing.