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Re: Actually eat healthily for £1 per day

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Post by Zenst » Fri, May 10, 2013, 5:14 PM UTC

jb17 wrote: post #73

Zenst wrote: post #61

Whilst it is nice people try and point out cheap options they ignore the following: 1) cost of running a fridge and freezer 2) calorie intake and how people are all different 3) large supermarket nearby and only you hanging around the reduced counter With that I'm sure a very short small inactive person could live well on this amount and intake but we are not all small inactive people. A few years ago I was in hospit…

Have you considered that muscle atrophy might be part of your weight less as well? It sounds like you were bound to a hospital bed.

No I was not bound to a bed and wished it was muscle loss, I have legs like tree trunks and sadly they somehow stay the same from my sporting days -- think rugby player type build.

Though the part of the body that uses the most calories is in many respects the brain, and I know I think too much.

Also aware that my glicogen(probably spelling that wrong) levels can account for nearly 2 stone in my case - everybody different though and I'll admit due to my frame and size I'm not normal.

When I was doing competitive swimming and in peak form I could happily walk on the bottom of a swimming pool instead of being boyant and was due to muscle weighing more than fat. Just something I accept as normal too me.

Re: Actually eat healthily for £1 per day

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Post by papsosouid » Fri, May 10, 2013, 5:19 PM UTC

Zenst wrote: post #72

papsosouid wrote: post #69

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You are absolutely, without a doubt, incorrect. Making up random guesses about your caloric intake is exactly why people think all sorts of crazy nonsense about metabolism like you do. You were eating less than your recommended intake, not double it. You just suck at estimating. Most people do. There is no way you were eating 5000 kcal in the hospital, they won't even let you.

Sorry are you saying you know me better than me, when you have not even met me! This hospital in the uk I was and did, I have no need to lie about it. I know what I was eating and the volumes and I know what I eat when I'm not in hospital, so sorry if I completely and utterly disagree with your random asertion. There again I have been known to eat 3 full plated roast dinners in a day, we are all different, just accep…

>Sorry are you saying you know me better than me, when you have not even met me!

It has nothing to do with you, it has to do with physics. If anything you said was even remotely close to true, we would have already read about you in a medical journal, as you would be a first in history discovery of something completely new and amazing.

Re: Actually eat healthily for £1 per day

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Post by lmaz3 » Fri, May 10, 2013, 5:19 PM UTC

Shorel wrote: post #93

ska wrote: post #82

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> That's NOT healthy at all This statement assumes facts not in evidence. There is a lot of argument about what the best distributions are, without any real resolution at this point. The author reasonable chose to target a standard without claiming it was the only way to go.

No, the author simply repeated old stuff. If all those 'reasonable' diets worked, the current obesity epidemic would not be in its worst point, as it is. Some evidence about sugar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRAwgdvhWHw http://martin.ankerl.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/trouble_...

I don't think that the videos you posted support your claims, at least not the first one.

In the suggested diet, almost 2/3 of the carbohydrates don't come from sugar. From the foods listed, most of these carbohydrates should come from the oats and the rice. In these foods, the carbohydrates come almost exclusively from starch, which the body splits into glucose. And glucose is the ideal power source for your body, as Lustig shows at 44:52 in the first of the youtube videos you linked.

Now, about the suggars, at 1:13:55 in the same video, he states that we "should eat our carbohydrates with fibers, and thats why fruits are ok". The diet in the article contains plenty of fibres, so that should be ok.

Re: Actually eat healthily for £1 per day

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Post by scarmig » Fri, May 10, 2013, 5:19 PM UTC

ctdonath wrote: post #103

itsybitsycoder wrote: post #96

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I think as software developers, many of us are very disconnected with the lives of the very poor in our society. There are people out there working multiple full time jobs, or working full-time while raising young kids by themselves. It boggles my mind that you would consider these people lazy because they're dead on their feet when they arrive home... probably even software developers can think of days when they're…

I know it boggles your mind. I too shared the mindset susceptible to "I can't". Amazing how being dead for a few hours can change your perspective on such things. It must be done. Do it. Eradicate "I can't" from your vocabulary. Cut out all superfluous activity & costs. Unless you're in fact passing out onto the floor, you have the energy and time to do it. Yes, every day. I'm so far past tired and overwhelmed that t…

You're relying very heavily on this "well it's physically possible, that means if someone doesn't do it they don't really want to" trope.

It's pretty lazy, I've got to say. Stop using it like a sledgehammer. No, don't say "I can't help but use it like a sledgehammer": try to make a new, novel suggestion beyond "just try harder!"

Evidence that it's pretty damn lazy: you can use it anywhere. A Roman slave, upset about being worked really hard? "Well, other slaves have worked hard enough to buy their own freedom. Why don't you?" A poor person in rural India? "Well, at least one multibillionaire started out in the same position as you, and that was a couple decades ago in worse conditions. Try harder!"

Defacto it's a crutch to shift responsibility away from the social structures we live in.

Re: Actually eat healthily for £1 per day

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Post by Zenst » Fri, May 10, 2013, 5:23 PM UTC

papsosouid wrote: post #122

Zenst wrote: post #72

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Sorry are you saying you know me better than me, when you have not even met me! This hospital in the uk I was and did, I have no need to lie about it. I know what I was eating and the volumes and I know what I eat when I'm not in hospital, so sorry if I completely and utterly disagree with your random asertion. There again I have been known to eat 3 full plated roast dinners in a day, we are all different, just accep…

>Sorry are you saying you know me better than me, when you have not even met me! It has nothing to do with you, it has to do with physics. If anything you said was even remotely close to true, we would have already read about you in a medical journal, as you would be a first in history discovery of something completely new and amazing.

Sorry but you do not know what you are talking about - please troll elsewere.

In other words you are not me and as I said in the original post - EVERYBODY IS DIFFERENT, we come in all shapes and sizes and all have different metabolistic rates and ways of burning calories.

I just said how it was and with that you came along used your perspective based upon yoruself and saw something outside that template and assumed it was wrong and went into troll mode.

Though looking at your past comments you are keen towards doing that, hence you have sibmitted nothing!

With that I was there you was not, so this is not even a debate or argument or discussion, it is clear and outright trolling on your part, simple as.

Re: Actually eat healthily for £1 per day

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Post by freehunter » Fri, May 10, 2013, 5:27 PM UTC

ctdonath wrote: post #103

itsybitsycoder wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think as software developers, many of us are very disconnected with the lives of the very poor in our society. There are people out there working multiple full time jobs, or working full-time while raising young kids by themselves. It boggles my mind that you would consider these people lazy because they're dead on their feet when they arrive home... probably even software developers can think of days when they're…

I know it boggles your mind. I too shared the mindset susceptible to "I can't". Amazing how being dead for a few hours can change your perspective on such things. It must be done. Do it. Eradicate "I can't" from your vocabulary. Cut out all superfluous activity & costs. Unless you're in fact passing out onto the floor, you have the energy and time to do it. Yes, every day. I'm so far past tired and overwhelmed that t…

Do you know what happens when you break your leg but keep walking on it without going to a doctor? It keeps causing damage, until that damage is irreparable and there's a bone hanging out of your useless leg. That's pretty easy to visualize, yeah? It's harder to imagine the same thing going on but mentally. It's hard to see the true damage that repeated exposure to stressful situations causes to your mind and psyche. Sure, sugar bombs do damage. So does working until you're in fact passing out on the floor.

Your rah-rah attitude might work for you, and I'm glad for that. But before you go all motivational speaker on everyone else, maybe consider that other people aren't as mentally strong as you seem to be. Some people can't carry a 50lb weight 24x7 for days on end. Likewise some people can't carry the mental weight of two jobs, a family, and bills still being unpaid plus the thought of working for hours when they get home to make a meal.

Re: Actually eat healthily for £1 per day

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Post by ctdonath » Fri, May 10, 2013, 5:29 PM UTC

bch wrote: post #118

ctdonath wrote: post #110

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Cost: you're setting the standard of "fresh healthy" too high. I've got a can of assorted seeds, enough to sow an acre of all the veggies you need - $40, get busy. Assorted frozen veggies (flash-frozen minutes after picking, so yes they're fresh) are $1/pound; canned works too, and actual fresh is also available if you look with care. Access: you can arrange transport a couple times a month to someplace selling healt…

> I've got a can of assorted seeds, enough to sow an acre of all the veggies you need - $40, get busy. Now all I need is an acre of land and time to tend it. Don't you think that's a bit ingenuous? It's like saying the parts for a laptop only cost $200. Now get them and start soldering.

Didn't continue reading I see. Frozen & canned foods are not bad alternatives. Market fresh is more available than you think. Drop the "getting optimal food isn't trivial so it's impossible so give up" mindset.

Don't have an acre? Start with one square foot. Seed packets are $0.10 at The Dollar Store this time of year. Grow a month's worth of carrots in a box. Add 1' boxes for lettuce, broccoli, cucumbers, beets, etc as time & space permit.

And yes, I've built computers from scratch. That's an option too, but you can buy a refurbished one complete for $190 at Best Buy.

Re: Actually eat healthily for £1 per day

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Post by freehunter » Fri, May 10, 2013, 5:29 PM UTC

bch wrote: post #118

ctdonath wrote: post #110

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Cost: you're setting the standard of "fresh healthy" too high. I've got a can of assorted seeds, enough to sow an acre of all the veggies you need - $40, get busy. Assorted frozen veggies (flash-frozen minutes after picking, so yes they're fresh) are $1/pound; canned works too, and actual fresh is also available if you look with care. Access: you can arrange transport a couple times a month to someplace selling healt…

> I've got a can of assorted seeds, enough to sow an acre of all the veggies you need - $40, get busy. Now all I need is an acre of land and time to tend it. Don't you think that's a bit ingenuous? It's like saying the parts for a laptop only cost $200. Now get them and start soldering.

I also need a tractor or an ox and a yolk with a plow. I also need the permit to farm on my acre lot (many towns/cities won't allow it without one). I can also only grow the things that will grow in my area (which might not be a lot).

Re: Actually eat healthily for £1 per day

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Post by papsosouid » Fri, May 10, 2013, 5:32 PM UTC

Zenst wrote: post #125

papsosouid wrote: post #122

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>Sorry are you saying you know me better than me, when you have not even met me! It has nothing to do with you, it has to do with physics. If anything you said was even remotely close to true, we would have already read about you in a medical journal, as you would be a first in history discovery of something completely new and amazing.

Sorry but you do not know what you are talking about - please troll elsewere. In other words you are not me and as I said in the original post - EVERYBODY IS DIFFERENT, we come in all shapes and sizes and all have different metabolistic rates and ways of burning calories. I just said how it was and with that you came along used your perspective based upon yoruself and saw something outside that template and assumed i…

Trying to dismiss opinions you don't like as "trolling" is simply childish. You are wrong. It is simple fact. There is no way for anyone to lose weight while consuming 5000 kcal/day while sedentary. No amount of "but I am such a special snowflake" will change that. The entire point is that we're not that different. Offer up an explanation for what magic difference you possess that burns 2000-3000kcal/day for you, don't just spew lazy rhetoric.

Re: Actually eat healthily for £1 per day

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Post by drharris » Fri, May 10, 2013, 5:34 PM UTC

drharris wrote: post #33

lenazegher wrote: post #11

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> I think the main weakness of the diet not listed on their weaknesses is they've made no attempt to break it down into a realistic 3x7 meal plan, because it doesn't really make one. Yeah, it's easy to put together a whole load of things cheaply that conform to predetermined values on a spreadsheet, but sometimes sum of the parts does not give you a realistic outcome. That's a very fair point, but it seemed like prem…

No, I think you're right on for a 0.1 version. The basic nutrition (most important) is there, and you now have a good list of foodstuffs to go by. I think 0.2 should allow for some diversification (trade these two foods for these two, at an extra cost of xx). Version 0.3 can then work on some basic recipes. Also consider things like freeze-dried fruit (easy to rehydrate to put inside oatmeal) and vegetables (make goo…

Forgot to mention: I spent 4-5 years in which I ate oatmeal every day (and some nights) while in the process of eliminating debt. It's highly versatile; you can change the flavor dramatically with the addition of different fruit, spices, and nuts/seeds. It stores in bulk for long periods of time. It is very easy to prepare. It is highly cost effective, is fairly nutritious alone, and easily keeps you full for hours on end. I really consider it a superfood in terms of cost vs. nutrition. Add some flax seeds, apples, cinnamon, and a bit of honey and not much can beat it.