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US Government Takes Down 3D Printed Gun Plans

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Re: US Government Takes Down 3D Printed Gun Plans

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Post by mbreese »

zackelan wrote: post #22
mbreese wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you thought that the MPAA tracking torrents was bad... now not only are you seeding potential copyright infringement (I don't know what the license actually is), but you might now also be circumventing arms control laws. That is a whole level of legal hurt that I'd rather avoid. You might not be able to stop the signal, but I'm pretty sure Mr. Universe still died at the end of Serenity.

http://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-20.0&os=win... That file didn't exist in 1995, but if it had, distributing it outside the US would also have run afoul of arms control laws. Technology changes, and laws change with it. The laws, almost without exception, lag several years behind the technology.

Yeah, but that was for encryption. Encryption of today would have been unbreakable in 95. This is for... you know... actual arms.

So, really, the law makes more sense here.

Re: US Government Takes Down 3D Printed Gun Plans

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Post by ck2 »

What's going to be hilarious is when the NRA works against homemade guns because they don't actually represent gun owners but gun manufacturers and people finally start getting the point of lobbyists.

Going to get some popcorn and watch y'all fight each other over who gets to have the most toys to accidentally kill their friends and family with.

Re: US Government Takes Down 3D Printed Gun Plans

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Post by mbreese »

tlrobinson wrote: post #20
mbreese wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your goal is to stop the spread of the data, perhaps... but if you are caught with one of these guns now, you might also be prosecuted under arms control/export laws.

I believe it's legal to manufacture guns (that would normally be legal) for personal use in the United States without any permit or license or anything. Also they're not saying the data is illegal, it just may be illegal to "export".

Yes, but if you use these instructions, which they've limited the distribution of, you'd be hard pressed to explain where you got them from.

ATF agent: Oh, you got that from a torrent? Did you also seed the file?

You can see where this is going, and it doesn't have a happy ending.

If you do make one of these though, for the love of God embed a chunk of metal. These things wouldn't be legal without it (metal detectors).

Re: US Government Takes Down 3D Printed Gun Plans

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Post by yoster »

I live in the U.S. and I am raising an eyebrow at this. For the rest of the world, I understand the need for this, but the easy access to guns we already have in the states would make it skeptical on why you would want one of these. I guess it would be for curiosity for some, but I would rather stick to my AK and shoot thousands of rounds reliably. I am a firm believer of "to each their own" so if people want to make these, I am all for it. If they blow up their face in the process of shooting, oh well. In a different perspective, I would rather build a gun with my hands as I am a firm believer of do it yourself.

Re: US Government Takes Down 3D Printed Gun Plans

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Post by omegant »

jobu wrote: post #7

I thought the government would understand The Streisand Effect by now.

Yep I really think that the printed gun is lame, but now that it is forbidden I want that file! Just for the sake of being able to get it. I don't own a 3d printer yet, and I would never fire from a plastic barrel, ever (unless plastic technology changes quite a lot, which is probable)

Re: US Government Takes Down 3D Printed Gun Plans

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Post by clicks »

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:0ad7b4f1833e01a3f2fa5613d8fc46de622339ac&dn=DefDist+Defcad+Liberator+Printable+Gun for download.

To view it, download Blender (free and opensource 3d software)- http://download.blender.org/ (it allows you to import stl files if you want to view them; or export them from your designs when you want to 3d-print something).

Also, Github has in-browser STL rendering capability (e.g.: https://github.com/lorennorman/octocat-3d/blob/master/stl/oc... ). It's only a matter of time I guess before we'll all be seeing direct links to individual components.

Re: US Government Takes Down 3D Printed Gun Plans

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Post by johnpowell »

I downloaded the file. I was curious to look at it and I am not all that impressed. It isn't amazing mechanical engineering. And I have a shotgun I bought a block from my house for 99 bucks and there was one page of paperwork and I used a expired ID card to buy it. It isn't hard to get a gun.

I'm actually pretty excited about the plastic gun thing. It is way less fingers that can pull the trigger on guns that are already really easy to get.

Edit: I should that I am for really strict gun laws. My father was killed by a gun that was bought in a pawn shop so if you even save a few people a year it is worth it.

Re: US Government Takes Down 3D Printed Gun Plans

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Post by cynwoody »

mtgx wrote: post #23
vxNsr wrote: post #10

Wow, this is unbelieveable... I didn't realize they had this power, or that they'd exercise it like that... it's just scary to think that the internet is not as free or open as it feels or appears.

Was it on a .com domain? Because they've had the power to take those down for a few years now.

I found it on a certain .nz domain[1], the owner of which (who, oddly enough, renamed himself after the TLD you mention) is currently thumbing his nose at the USG[2].

[1] https://mega.co.nz/#!JplQVDDQ!Qi8kflIn8kMZl0hK96YW1h7RIc9vz2...

[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Dotcom

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