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“The Tesla Model S is our top-scoring car”

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I don't know where to ask this, but does anyone know why they bothered with the front trunk? Was it just to keep the Model S looking like a typical car, so people would be less averse to considering it? Crumple zone for accidents? Seems like it would be unnecessary weight on a car where that would effect range.

I'd expect aerodynamics come into play here as well. They wouldn't just chop the front of the car off, car design has evolved to make them more aerodynamic for a reason.

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There's something that's been bothering me about this whole thing. Not the Tesla, but the rest of the market. Is that it? Is it that easy? A guy who made his money selling a phonebook and then an online payment processor can read a few books, hire a few people out of the same industry he's disrupting and build a goddamn amazing car (electric or not)? Why can't the existing industry do this? Why all the mediocre produ…

For the very same reasons why a start up can do things so quickly, and a big company can't.

Most of the big companies you see out there car makers or otherwise are only at their best good maintaining status quo and doing the incremental revenue push. Reasons, everyone knows already: Layers and Layers of hopelessly useless middle management, Politics, Bureaucracy- Your usual large company BS.

There is total lack of urgency, there is no sense of higher purpose. No clear vision, goal or even a path many big companies want to take. Its all about fixing the most immediate short term things which prevent them dieing, and maintain the stock prices to a acceptable value. The management at all levels is simply designing most ingenious ways to take back big checks while sleeping on their jobs. And then blame the actual workers for all their company problems.

No wonder small unknown start ups with a few folks severely underfunded and under clocked for resources screw these companies left, right and center. And not just that, also in ways these large companies can't even defend themselves.

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I almost get hit by hybrids when not paying attention. Cars need to make noise like natural gas needs to have a scent added. Safety.

I see a market for car engine "ringtones."

Please, anything but this.

We have to do everything in our power to make sure cars don't have "ringtones".

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They're both invisible to a blind person.

So are knives, a clearly dangerous object! Knives should be regulated to emit constant noise. No, seriously, I think you do the blind a disservice. I don't think that blind people rely on, "Hey, did I hear something" to mean, "I can blithely cross the street without danger."

What a childish analogy, knives are not moving at high speed on every street.

Re: “The Tesla Model S is our top-scoring car”

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post #8

There's something that's been bothering me about this whole thing. Not the Tesla, but the rest of the market. Is that it? Is it that easy? A guy who made his money selling a phonebook and then an online payment processor can read a few books, hire a few people out of the same industry he's disrupting and build a goddamn amazing car (electric or not)? Why can't the existing industry do this? Why all the mediocre produ…

That's not fair to Musk. Besides all the comments people have already made about Innovator's Dilemma, by this logic, you could also say about SpaceX:

Is it that easy to start a space company?

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There's something that's been bothering me about this whole thing. Not the Tesla, but the rest of the market. Is that it? Is it that easy? A guy who made his money selling a phonebook and then an online payment processor can read a few books, hire a few people out of the same industry he's disrupting and build a goddamn amazing car (electric or not)? Why can't the existing industry do this? Why all the mediocre produ…

I can't really agree with you that every other car in this price range (a huge $90k for the performance edition) is mediocre. There are a lot of simply amazing cars available if you are willing to spend that kind of money on one. Hell, there are amazing cars available for way less than that.

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post #8

There's something that's been bothering me about this whole thing. Not the Tesla, but the rest of the market. Is that it? Is it that easy? A guy who made his money selling a phonebook and then an online payment processor can read a few books, hire a few people out of the same industry he's disrupting and build a goddamn amazing car (electric or not)? Why can't the existing industry do this? Why all the mediocre produ…

Is it really that good or does it just have a huge benefit because its electric ? As a car, i dont believe its better than a similar specced 5 Series BMW or E class Merc. Yes its electric and has amazing performance, but it will also not take you very far which imo is a big issue for a GT class car.

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Why can't the existing industry do this? Why all the mediocre product that's the tail end of pumping billions of dollars into R&D staffed by largely the same folks Tesla has been hiring? The car being reviewed is $90,000. Are competitively priced vehicles really "mediocre"? The Tesla was not built independently. Most of its components come from the auto industry. Most of its innovations are auto-industry innovations.…

Probably. from the video: "This car performs better than anything we've ever tested before. Let me repeat that: not just the best electric car, but the best car. It does just about everything really really well."

That statement is a far cry from saying that every other car in this price range is mediocre. Generally, $90k cars are pretty great. The Model S might just be slightly better due to, say, the battery pack helping weight distribution.

This is also just one review. It's not like this is suddenly the world's universal judgment of the Model S.

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Of course they are disruptive. They achieve the same capability as an internal combustion engine, but they do it in a different way. ICE automakers can't retool their supply chains overnight (or even over several years) to make an equivelent product. How are they disruptive? They achieve identical (performance wise, superior) capability with reduced maintenance and reduced fuel cost due to electricity being cheaper t…

They're not competing against non-consumption. Tesla may well end up successful, and an electric car company could be disruptive, but I don't see their product strategy as disruptive. Sales, however, is a different kettle of fish, and I expect it to be what brings Tesla down. Car dealers are way, way, way too powerful for a boutique to take on. Look at how much was clawed back from GM by their dealer network when the…

Then, all Tesla would have to do would be to sell in Europe. Car dealerships are a lot less powerful, and the market is not regulated like it is in the States.

I believe they are/will soon be selling in the UK.

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After test driving a Tesla, I agree with much of what you said and one is the engine noise. I prefer sports cars and especially the sound of a V8/12. To me it's better than listening to music. I do understand that those purchasing a luxury vehicle have different expectations. Those in sedans appreciate cabin silence more than others.

It's a generational thing, I think. Two thoughts come to mind when I hear a V8/12 roaring down the street: "out-of-touch boomer" and "sea level rise". Literally nobody I know my age wants anything to do with those fossil burners. Electric (or something better, I hope) is the future.

Whenever I hear ANYTHING roaring down the street, I fantasize about playing earsplitting polka on the driver's lawn at 3am.
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