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“The Tesla Model S is our top-scoring car”

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There's something that's been bothering me about this whole thing. Not the Tesla, but the rest of the market. Is that it? Is it that easy? A guy who made his money selling a phonebook and then an online payment processor can read a few books, hire a few people out of the same industry he's disrupting and build a goddamn amazing car (electric or not)? Why can't the existing industry do this? Why all the mediocre produ…

He also built a space ship.

True. Building cars isn't rocket science : D

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The real question to me is why are [Apple] not doing anything half as cool as what Musk has done in the past 10 years. I don't understand: what hasn't Apple done that isn't "half as cool"? Clearly, the iPad alone is a significant product that has literally changed the computing industry.

"Cool," perhaps, but not even vaguely innovative. It doesn't change any business models, it doesn't bypass anything or make any real changes , it's just a big iPhone (or, really, an iPod Touch). It hasn't "changed the computing industry." It's introduced a new line of the same products we had before. "Let's make a bigger one" was a really great idea, but it's not really in the same league.

The Model S is "Cool", perhaps, but not even vaguely innovative. It doesn't change any business models, it doesn't bypass anything or make any real changes, it's just a new kind of car that doesn't use gas (really, a big golf cart). It won't "change the automotive industry." It's introducing a new line of the same products we had before.

With the Model S you still have roads, parking, large upfront costs, a driver, and traffic. The only difference is fuel. Minor.

(I'm all for the Model S, but I think you're putting much too high a standard on "innovative".)

Re: “The Tesla Model S is our top-scoring car”

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Not at $100k.

Wrong. By that logic, you wouldn't have considered cell phones as disruptive because they initially cost around $9,000 (inflation adjusted). The same for PCs, and pretty much any disruptive technology. That's one of the central points in the aforementioned book Innovator's Dilemma. Disruptive technologies often start out as expensive products that only attract a small segment of early adopters. This leads established…

Yeah, the $100k is a red herring. The issue is not how much it costs, but what it does, and I don't see the Model S as doing anything that incumbents already don't.

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There's something that's been bothering me about this whole thing. Not the Tesla, but the rest of the market. Is that it? Is it that easy? A guy who made his money selling a phonebook and then an online payment processor can read a few books, hire a few people out of the same industry he's disrupting and build a goddamn amazing car (electric or not)? Why can't the existing industry do this? Why all the mediocre produ…

There's something to be said about a driven leader pursuing a vision. The other good example would be Apple + Steve Jobs. For example, I know that with Ford Motor Company, as an example, the Ford family has a heavy hand in the top-level management (i.e. previous CEOs have been kicked out 'unofficially' because they didn't follow what the Ford family wanted or didn't live up to their expectations). That kind of stuff…

They have the official power to back that up, since the Ford family holds stock with a 10x voting preference. It looks like they had about half of the votes at the shareholder meeting this year. There was a shareholder resolution to abolish that this year that failed with something like 66% of the voting shares against it.

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I have learned cynicism and skepticism about a lot of media, but Consumer Reports remains one of the few sources -- the only one I can think of offhand -- that I trust without a second thought. I like their business plan and focus on doing what they do well. Their reviews mean something (even to someone like me who lives in Manhattan and doesn't drive).

Yes, they do reviews well. But a lot of their consumer advocacy would profit from better (or any?) cost/benefit analysis.

You can't do cost/benefit on subjective things which is not rally an issue for computers but how do you compare a 50$ toaster vs a 200$ toaster.

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After test driving a Tesla, I agree with much of what you said and one is the engine noise. I prefer sports cars and especially the sound of a V8/12. To me it's better than listening to music. I do understand that those purchasing a luxury vehicle have different expectations. Those in sedans appreciate cabin silence more than others.

It's a generational thing, I think. Two thoughts come to mind when I hear a V8/12 roaring down the street: "out-of-touch boomer" and "sea level rise". Literally nobody I know my age wants anything to do with those fossil burners. Electric (or something better, I hope) is the future.

I don't think it's a "generational" thing. I'd be more inclined to call it an upbringing/environment difference, in addition to a preference based on how you actually want a car to drive (which is very different than just "how powerful is it").

The "out-of-touch boomer" judgment is just petty. credibility--;

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One thing I've always wondered: How does Consumer Reports afford to purchase all those cars (and other expensive items that it reviews)?

Donations, subscriptions, and endowments. There's frequently an ad in Consumer Reports that you can get an annuity through them, so I'm sure some people take them up on that offer.

I'm also assuming they sell the cars after they buy them and test them.

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"Cool," perhaps, but not even vaguely innovative. It doesn't change any business models, it doesn't bypass anything or make any real changes , it's just a big iPhone (or, really, an iPod Touch). It hasn't "changed the computing industry." It's introduced a new line of the same products we had before. "Let's make a bigger one" was a really great idea, but it's not really in the same league.

The Model S is "Cool", perhaps, but not even vaguely innovative. It doesn't change any business models, it doesn't bypass anything or make any real changes , it's just a new kind of car that doesn't use gas (really, a big golf cart). It won't "change the automotive industry." It's introducing a new line of the same products we had before. With the Model S you still have roads, parking, large upfront costs, a driver,…

That's not true. Tesla is significantly disrupting the archaic dealership model. They sell their cars directly, over the internet, and from corporate-owned showrooms.

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There's something that's been bothering me about this whole thing. Not the Tesla, but the rest of the market. Is that it? Is it that easy? A guy who made his money selling a phonebook and then an online payment processor can read a few books, hire a few people out of the same industry he's disrupting and build a goddamn amazing car (electric or not)? Why can't the existing industry do this? Why all the mediocre produ…

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There has to be a market for a company to add a V12 sound to the Tesla S.

Well it was a secondary underlying theme to the lousy movie "The Dilemma". I'm sure it can be done but the question is whether someone wants it. Many in that class would probably adjust quicker to the silence of EV's than a lie. Do keep in mind that engine noise is not only beneficial to the driver but cyclists, other motorists and at crosswalks as well. It's not a problem that is easily solved and satisfied by all p…

I almost get hit by hybrids when not paying attention. Cars need to make noise like natural gas needs to have a scent added. Safety.
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