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Re: How To Live The New American Dream

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@jiggy2011 I wrote the piece because I legitimately find Codecademy admirable. I've never met the founders, I don't know them in any way. It's just a service that helps people for free that I find to be fantastic. Not sure what's so hard to believe about that.

I'm guessing you haven't met the founders of Venmo , Timbre or any of the other companies you have written gushing articles about either.

That's correct, though at NY Tech Day I did run into the Venmo people, and they seemed to have liked the press. Have you actually used Venmo? It's fantastic. There's a reason Braintree bought them, I use that app daily.

Re: How To Live The New American Dream

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She should create an ebook - 55 year old makes $899.00 per day as a programmer - make monies online in 1 month. Would probably sell as well!

The secrets that matter, Programmers hate her! Buy Now.

1) Pay SEO marketers to make shill blog posts. 2) Outsource all of the work to india. 3) Profit.

Re: How To Live The New American Dream

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Is this really the new American Dream? "work as hard as you possibly can, and you will be able to raise a family" That is an enormous come down.

It's a bit lower but it's not a huge change. The promise of the "American Dream" was fair opportunity for success, and social mobility through hard work -- on a meritocratic basis. Not fabulous wealth or anything like that... just fair pay for a job done, and the ability to make a comfortable living from that. It doesn't seem like a lot to us these days but it's still a "dream" to a lot of people outside the US, and I can definitely see how it was a dream to immigrants ~100 years ago.

Reminds me of the piano player at Nordstrom's who worked 27 years and put his kids through college. Not something most of us would want to do, but definitely the American Dream by a lot of definitions.

http://www.thenewstribune.com/2013/01/27/2452005/nordstrom-p...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Dream

Re: How To Live The New American Dream

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Is this some sort of ad for Codecademy? It seems like it, and not a very good one at that. The sidebar says "Codecademy can teach you the skills you need to get a solid, well-paying technical job." The article says "And after 800 hours of hard work, Liz has just been hired full-time as an Administrative Coordinator at the University of Washington, where the skills she honed in Codecademy will be central to her succes…

It's funny you mention that it sounds like an ad, I was reading it and felt that it was quite similar to my own situation.

I just got my first technical job (website integration for an online marketing network) in the last month, previously being in general office administration for 10 years. I've always been technically minded but had never pursued it as anything other than a hobby (running home servers, being family tech support etc...).

While I've found Codecademy incredibly frustrating at times (lack of response to feedback and glitchy lessons mainly), it was definitely worth using. I also bought some domains and built a couple of Wordpress sites to try and showcase my skills and interests.

I'd spent all of 2012 firing off CV's to try and get into an entry-level IT support role (which I know I could do) and didn't get a single interview. This year I managed to get in touch with a recruiter via a friend in the ad display industry and pretty soon afterwards I was put forward for an interview. That I could demonstrate my websites and willingness to learn outside of work using online courses on my CV was a definite factor.

An HTML test was a requirement in the interview, and having no idea how complex it might be, I ran through Codecademy's lessons and covered as much as I could to refresh my knowledge. This was a huge help and I did fine on the test.

I was offered the job the same day and one month in I'm loving it. I'm in a fantastic place with a great environment and working with other technically-minded people.

I think there's real value in many of these online courses and education sites (I have also played around with RubyMonk and Learn python the hard way), especially for someone like me who went straight into work rather than Uni.

Re: How To Live The New American Dream

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Is this some sort of ad for Codecademy? It seems like it, and not a very good one at that. The sidebar says "Codecademy can teach you the skills you need to get a solid, well-paying technical job." The article says "And after 800 hours of hard work, Liz has just been hired full-time as an Administrative Coordinator at the University of Washington, where the skills she honed in Codecademy will be central to her succes…

It's funny you mention that it sounds like an ad, I was reading it and felt that it was quite similar to my own situation. I just got my first technical job (website integration for an online marketing network) in the last month, previously being in general office administration for 10 years. I've always been technically minded but had never pursued it as anything other than a hobby (running home servers, being famil…

How do I flag astroturfer accounts on HN?

Re: How To Live The New American Dream

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't work for Codecademy , you were just found the parent comment so compelling you had to sign up a HN account just to reply to it?

@jiggy2011 I wrote the piece because I legitimately find Codecademy admirable. I've never met the founders, I don't know them in any way. It's just a service that helps people for free that I find to be fantastic. Not sure what's so hard to believe about that.

I have met the Codecademy founders, and I find what they do to be admirable (as you do) and wish them the best.

However, I don't think they (or anyone) would argue that coding instruction is sufficient to revive the possibly long-gone "American Dream". It's a small piece of the puzzle.

The real problem is that while there's infinite demand for solving problems and making the world better, most people don't get jobs that provide access to that infinite demand. Those jobs only exist if you have savings to go off on your own. Otherwise, you're a subordinate supporting someone else's career, and demand for subordinate labor is going toward zero, due to technology. It's so low that if you're over 40, you're probably priced out of those kinds of jobs unless you're an executive.

Most people need to work in those subordinate jobs (to get savings and credibility) before they can create their own jobs, but those subordinate jobs are now being eaten by machines, which are just much better at reliable, cheap subordination than any human.

The gap between what the world needs (problem solving) and what people can get steady income to do (subordinate labor) has reached an unacceptable level, and it's now tearing the economy apart and shutting what used to be a bidirectionally reliable labor market down.

Providing easy access to coding resources is an admirable step in the right direction, but this is a huge problem and it's not going to be solved by one website. Given that universities with trillions of dollars (as a set) in endowments have failed to solve it, I think that this problem is going to be around for a while.

Re: How To Live The New American Dream

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Is this really the new American Dream? "work as hard as you possibly can, and you will be able to raise a family" That is an enormous come down.

It's a bit lower but it's not a huge change. The promise of the "American Dream" was fair opportunity for success, and social mobility through hard work -- on a meritocratic basis. Not fabulous wealth or anything like that... just fair pay for a job done, and the ability to make a comfortable living from that. It doesn't seem like a lot to us these days but it's still a "dream" to a lot of people outside the US, and…

Good answer. Thanks. But it still seems to me that this can't be the American dream. It is satisfied so well by so many other countries with healthcare and good employee protections.

The American dream must surely be an exceptional one, to justify some exceptional hardships?

Re: How To Live The New American Dream

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Is this really the new American Dream? "work as hard as you possibly can, and you will be able to raise a family" That is an enormous come down.

The American Dream is freedom. The concept goes back to the 1770s and originally had nothing to do with cars or houses in the suburbs. Freedom from old relationships and inherited ruling classes and entrenched, market-capturing oligarchies.

Corporate employment is not the American Dream. It's a sign that the "Dream" is over.

Re: How To Live The New American Dream

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Is this really the new American Dream? "work as hard as you possibly can, and you will be able to raise a family" That is an enormous come down.

The American Dream is freedom . The concept goes back to the 1770s and originally had nothing to do with cars or houses in the suburbs. Freedom from old relationships and inherited ruling classes and entrenched, market-capturing oligarchies. Corporate employment is not the American Dream. It's a sign that the "Dream" is over.

I like your version of the American dream. :)

Re: How To Live The New American Dream

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I love stuff like codeacademy.

It gives people with even the remotest inkling of an interest in programming the opportunity to explore that interest in a hassle-free environment (much like those of who grew up in the 80's had with Speccies and C64's) and instant positive feedback is a great thing.

If however you think completing codeacademy courses makes you fit to program for a living you are dangerously (and expensively) insane.

Knowledge of a particular programming language in-depth is a tiny part of what makes you a competent programmer.

In fact once you have learnt one or two languages you can learn another pretty quickly (though mastery of the idioms can take a while).

However to me a "coder" and a programmer (software engineer/developer) are completely different beasts.

Personally I'm waiting for surgeonacademy always fancied having a go at a transplant and they do seem to spend a lot of time on the golf course!.

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