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Software will not be patentable in New Zealand

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Re: Software will not be patentable in New Zealand

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Post by dsuth »

koalaman wrote: post #21
spodek wrote: post #3

"Commerce Minister Craig Foss said today that following industry consultation he had decided to remove the patentability of software from the Patents Bill, which is currently before Parliament." If anyone is going to support Free and Open Source Software, it's going to be a guy named Foss. The government asked its citizens their thoughts "a recent poll of more than 1000 Kiwi IT professionals found 94 per cent wanted…

"The U.S. is in software patents so deep, the only way I can see it changing is watching other countries move faster without the drain on innovation and the need to pay lawyers when you code." Lawyers have a lot of money. Those laws aren't going to change until the role of money in politics changes. I wouldn't hold my breath.

Yeh, because that's worked so well in the US for gun control and health cover! (Referring to the quote)

Re: Software will not be patentable in New Zealand

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Post by ekianjo »

nikatwork wrote: post #41
ekianjo wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, lets not forget the huge advantage of natural resources in Australia. Just like Russia can survive on its gaz business alone. ANd thanks for the cliche that poor = robber/criminal, I am sure many honest poor people appreciate your point of view.

You are asserting that extreme poverty and the absence of welfare or assistance does not lead to crime? I find your position dubious.

Yeah. Have you ever heard of peer to peer assistance? you know, that thing called charity that used to exist before governments started to take care of it themselves?

How about Mother Theresa? How about the Red Cross? About about the religious associations who live on donations only?

In your little world everything comes from the government, as well as your ideology it seems.

Re: Software will not be patentable in New Zealand

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Post by ekianjo »

alexsb92 wrote: post #40
ekianjo wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, lets not forget the huge advantage of natural resources in Australia. Just like Russia can survive on its gaz business alone. ANd thanks for the cliche that poor = robber/criminal, I am sure many honest poor people appreciate your point of view.

Ok, then what would be your response to Canada?

Growing public debt from one year to another. And quite fast, too.

"Canada’s federal debt grew steadily between 5% and 10% per year until 1975. For the next 12 years it grew on average over 20% per year. It surpassed $100 billion in 1981, $200 billion in 1985, $300 billion in 1988, $400 billion in 1992, and $500 billion in 1994. It peaked at $563 billion in 1997. The debt then declined to $458 billion by 2008. With the recession, the federal debt grew by $5.8 billion in 2008-09 and is expected to grow by $55.9 billion in 2009-10. November 2012 Canadian debt surpassed the $600 billion mark"

Canada certainly look like Maple Red in this map of worldwide public debt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dette_publique2011.jpg

You better check your sources before commenting. Or maybe you are one of those to think that federal debt is not an issue and that you never need to pay it back. You are in for a big surprise.

Re: Software will not be patentable in New Zealand

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Post by Orva »

rimantas wrote: post #48
ekianjo wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Welfare-society-partisan I guess? The best thing a government can do is not run into debt and avoid charging massive taxes to employees and companies working in their country. That way, business can thrive better and jobs get created in larger number, so it should be a good thing if you are poor and unemployed. Countries ridden with welfare are not doing TOO well currently. Most countries in Europe, US, Japan. All de…

Nordic countries are ridden with wellfare and are doing quite OK, I'd say. The problems Greeks and others are having are not related to wellfare.

Also eastern/southern Europe countries are not exactly welfare countries.

Re: Software will not be patentable in New Zealand

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Post by ekianjo »

rimantas wrote: post #48
ekianjo wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Welfare-society-partisan I guess? The best thing a government can do is not run into debt and avoid charging massive taxes to employees and companies working in their country. That way, business can thrive better and jobs get created in larger number, so it should be a good thing if you are poor and unemployed. Countries ridden with welfare are not doing TOO well currently. Most countries in Europe, US, Japan. All de…

Nordic countries are ridden with wellfare and are doing quite OK, I'd say. The problems Greeks and others are having are not related to wellfare.

Well welfare has a threshold effect. Nordic countries have very small populations to take care of. You'll see that countries where welfare becomes an issue are usually larger ones in the dozens of millions.

But I wouldn't put all the nordic countries in the same basket. Last I know Sweden is not doing too well compared to Finland.

Re: Software will not be patentable in New Zealand

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Post by Orva »

ekianjo wrote: post #29
te_chris wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[partisan alert] I wouldn't go too far on that. If you're poor and unemployed here you probably don't feel like the govt. are working for you all that much.

Welfare-society-partisan I guess? The best thing a government can do is not run into debt and avoid charging massive taxes to employees and companies working in their country. That way, business can thrive better and jobs get created in larger number, so it should be a good thing if you are poor and unemployed. Countries ridden with welfare are not doing TOO well currently. Most countries in Europe, US, Japan. All de…

> Countries ridden with welfare are not doing TOO well currently. Most countries in Europe, US, Japan. All deep to their neck in public debt, always at the verge of bankruptcy. This can't be good for anyone in the end, poor included.

At least most of said countries have smaller debt-to-GDP ratio than US.

Re: Software will not be patentable in New Zealand

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Post by atirip »

acabal wrote: post #7

What does this mean for software companies in New Zealand? If they sell software in the US (and who doesn't, with the internet and all), I assume they're still on the hook for US patent law?

No. Technically NZ company can not sell anything outside NZ. And company only operates in jurisdiction of his origin country. Technically "selling in the US" means that NZ company is exporting (and this is regulated by NZ laws) and those who buy that software are importing (which is regulated by US laws) said software into US and US patent holder(s) can try to prevent that import. But even then this means nothing to the NZ company in question. On the other hand if said NZ company has daughter company in US, then yes, that company can be sued.
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