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Software will not be patentable in New Zealand

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Re: Software will not be patentable in New Zealand

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Post by nikatwork »

ekianjo wrote: post #35
nikatwork wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Australia is "ridden" with welfare and we're doing just fine economically, thanks. We also get to walk around our cities without constant fear of violent robbery by the extreme poor. Nice huh?

Yeah, lets not forget the huge advantage of natural resources in Australia. Just like Russia can survive on its gaz business alone. ANd thanks for the cliche that poor = robber/criminal, I am sure many honest poor people appreciate your point of view.

You are asserting that extreme poverty and the absence of welfare or assistance does not lead to crime? I find your position dubious.

Re: Software will not be patentable in New Zealand

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Post by qu4z-2 »

meric wrote: post #25
sitharus wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a nasty one, but such an easy law to avoid. Use direct downloads or download movies, since the movie companies are protesting paying costs by not filing complaints. I'd rather it didn't exist though.

Even in its nastiness it is sensible in its own right - $25 cost for the copyright holder to send a notice. The notice can also be challenged by the accused infringer.

Well, also you can't get another notice within 28 days.

And if I recall correctly, you have to get three notices within 9 months.

So basically if you manage to spend less than 1/3rd of your time "On Notice" you should be sweet as.

DISCLAIMER: IANAL

EDIT: Actually, fence-post error. The correct figure is ~2/9ths, as penalties trigger on the receipt of the third notice (so we can't count its period).

Re: Software will not be patentable in New Zealand

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Post by qu4z-2 »

jgamman wrote: post #4

or it will be superceded by the Trans Pacific Partnership. But I can't tell since the text hasn't been officially released. Leaked drafts don't look good though.

"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty."

There's always another bill someone's trying to force on us :/

Re: Software will not be patentable in New Zealand

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Post by qxcv »

ekianjo wrote: post #35
nikatwork wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Australia is "ridden" with welfare and we're doing just fine economically, thanks. We also get to walk around our cities without constant fear of violent robbery by the extreme poor. Nice huh?

Yeah, lets not forget the huge advantage of natural resources in Australia. Just like Russia can survive on its gaz business alone. ANd thanks for the cliche that poor = robber/criminal, I am sure many honest poor people appreciate your point of view.

> ANd thanks for the cliche that poor = robber/criminal

Parent was pointing out that a reasonable government welfare program does a lot less to foster resentment than a free market "fend for yourself" approach.

> I am sure many honest poor people appreciate your point of view.

Honest people still have to eat. Poor people don't (usually) choose to be poor, and if you force them into a corner with no other alternative, they will either

a) Die

or

b) Resort to crime or some other undesirable activity to prevent themselves from dying.

Re: Software will not be patentable in New Zealand

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Post by LatvjuAvs »

ekianjo wrote: post #27
SeanDav wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NZ makes some great laws (this is one of them) but it makes a few dodgy ones as well - like trying to give Chimpanzees human rights. Sorry I brought that one up but is one of those laws that has always just made me say - "What the fuuuuuc....."

Sure, we all know since Descartes that animals are robot-like objects, have no feelings and no emotion and should be treated as such. So, let's make sure the Law does not take in account any of the discoveries related to emotion and pain in animals, and let's keep business as usual and feel good about it. Sums up your position ?

So sheep is stupid meat on 4 sticks :D

Re: Software will not be patentable in New Zealand

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Post by zmmmmm »

It would be very cool if a major software house set up or moved their development shop to NZ so as to be free to develop and test their products in a patent-free environment. Sort of like we have tax havens ... software development havens?

It would be even cooler if a few different countries did this and set up a sort of, software patent-free economic zone.

Re: Software will not be patentable in New Zealand

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Post by rimantas »

ekianjo wrote: post #29
te_chris wrote: post #10

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[partisan alert] I wouldn't go too far on that. If you're poor and unemployed here you probably don't feel like the govt. are working for you all that much.

Welfare-society-partisan I guess? The best thing a government can do is not run into debt and avoid charging massive taxes to employees and companies working in their country. That way, business can thrive better and jobs get created in larger number, so it should be a good thing if you are poor and unemployed. Countries ridden with welfare are not doing TOO well currently. Most countries in Europe, US, Japan. All de…

Nordic countries are ridden with wellfare and are doing quite OK, I'd say. The problems Greeks and others are having are not related to wellfare.

Re: Software will not be patentable in New Zealand

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Post by jebeng »

alexsb92 wrote: post #40
ekianjo wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, lets not forget the huge advantage of natural resources in Australia. Just like Russia can survive on its gaz business alone. ANd thanks for the cliche that poor = robber/criminal, I am sure many honest poor people appreciate your point of view.

Ok, then what would be your response to Canada?

Maple Syrup.

Re: Software will not be patentable in New Zealand

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

randall wrote: post #28
acabal wrote: post #7

What does this mean for software companies in New Zealand? If they sell software in the US (and who doesn't, with the internet and all), I assume they're still on the hook for US patent law?

I'd like to know that too. I mean Xero has offices in the US certainly, so they'd be able to be served and the sort, but what about NZ exclusive shops?

So the scenario is that a company in NZ distributes software using NZ servers to users in the US? I can imagine some problems. What happens if they sue the users in the US? What happens if they go to ICE and have the domain you're distributing from seized? What happens if one of the company's officers goes to the US on vacation and gets served?

I guess there's one way to find out. But it seems like the better plan is to fight to eliminate software patents everywhere instead of pretending the internet is going to respect every nation's borders or vice versa.

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