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Why Anti-Authoritarians are Diagnosed as Mentally Ill (2012)

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Re: Why Anti-Authoritarians are Diagnosed as Mentally Ill (2012)

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Post by chris_mahan »

purplelobster wrote: post #134
dxhdr wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"when in the last, say, 100 years has the US government posed a threat to American citizens" I'll name one -- Japanese internment camps during WWII. Forcibly imprisoned over a hundred thousand citizens against their will, depriving them of their liberty and property. But I suppose in your world view the government has final say over your life and property, so being able to deter or resist attacks like this is unneces…

So in your mind, it would be better then if a hundred thousand armed Japanese would have started fighting back on mainland US? How about, instead of permanently distrusting the government, try to make it more democratic. There shouldn't have to be rebellions in a democratic country, then you talk it out and try to convince everybody else. If you can't, then touch luck, you're in the minority. That doesn't mean you ha…

Read the second paragraph of the U.S. Declaration of Independence. (http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_transc...) It seems indeed that he has the right, nay, the duty, to do exactly that. I quote from the above: "But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

Re: Why Anti-Authoritarians are Diagnosed as Mentally Ill (2012)

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Post by cema »

neilk wrote: post #3

I sometimes ask mental health professionals what the converse of Oppositional Defiant Disorder is. At what point do we recognize a disorder in a child who is unnaturally compliant and obedient? No answer so far. I ask because I think I had this. When I was a young prodigy I had the mentality of a performing seal. It's true that some people have difficulty controlling themselves, and they do need help. But the lack of…

  At what point do we recognize a disorder in a child
  who is unnaturally compliant and obedient?
  No answer so far.
I think this is a great question. And I am not surprised there is no answer.

Re: Why Anti-Authoritarians are Diagnosed as Mentally Ill (2012)

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Post by chris_mahan »

ucee054 wrote: post #117
cinquemb wrote: post #53

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As far as I'm aware most colonists at the time didn't participate, but the complacency is always desired by people in power. And a lot of slaves and native americans sided with the Royalists and decent portion gained freedom after the war in GB (though many were returned to their masters after the fact), so I think whose side one would take is more complicated than being mere anti-authoritarians. This crashcourse vid…

Please, god, it's "populace", not "populous"

...a populace can be populous; a pompous people perhaps?

Re: Why Anti-Authoritarians are Diagnosed as Mentally Ill (2012)

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Post by cema »

Stratoscope wrote: post #141
Stratoscope wrote: post #108

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It's a type of poetry called "free verse". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_verse http://examples.yourdictionary.com/examples-of-free-verse-po... Here is the classic story of a Real Programmer, written in free verse: http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/story-of-mel.html This story was originally written in prose, and it apparently got converted to free verse more or less by accident as it was bounced around mailing lis…

Another way to put it, I suppose you could say, is that the difference between prose and free verse is the number of lines.

Not the number, more like the form, but in general the difference between poetry and, uh, prose is something I do not quite understand.

Re: Why Anti-Authoritarians are Diagnosed as Mentally Ill (2012)

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Post by Jayschwa »

LekkoscPiwa wrote: post #130

I had a teacher in High School who was a genius. He wanted us to think independently. One time he assigned a homework to the class where each of us had to study a mental illness of our choice. Mine was narcissism. And we had to go to a psychologist or psychiatrist, pretend that we have the disease and the task was to be convincing enough to get diagnosis. More than 80% of students passed. We were all officialy crazy…

What a great lesson. I'm a little jealous.

How did you prevent this from becoming a black mark on your medical history though?

Re: Why Anti-Authoritarians are Diagnosed as Mentally Ill (2012)

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Post by katbyte »

csense wrote: post #106
alan_cx wrote: post #59

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"Many people want to keep firearms to keep the power of the government in check," Really? Are you sure its not just a case of guns being ingrained in American culture and make the owners feel all macho and strong, and that any old excuse is good enough to argue that they should be allowed to keep huge pointless arsenals of weaponry? I mean, from what I can tell, such people are generally on the right of politics, and…

> Shouldn't they have been using their arsenals to protect America? Rebellion is a last resort. Things haven't gotten bad enough yet. > when in the last, say, 100 years This number is conveniently chosen to be just below the Civil War. > they'd just find another excuse Self defense? If we were some European country that's historically always had only a few gun owners and tight control of guns since firearms were inve…

>and there would be enough remaining in underworld circulation to supply future members of those professions

Not to mention eventually you'll be able to 'print' a gun from a 3d printer or use your personal affordable CNC mill. Its just going to get easier and easier to make your own weapons.

Re: Why Anti-Authoritarians are Diagnosed as Mentally Ill (2012)

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Post by chris_mahan »

jbooth wrote: post #61
chris_mahan wrote: post #37

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Except for the shooting and killing of the King's Soldiers at Bunker Hill outside Boston.

Yes, there was in fact a war during the revolutionary war, but very few if any of the founding fathers were at Bunker Hill, and you'd be hard-pressed to prove the overwhelming majority of soldiers were doing it out of pathological anti-authority problems. They had plenty of non-pathological, reasonable complaints. Sometimes things happen within the normal human spectrum. You're conflating behavior with a category in…

Ah, but the British authorities would have definitely seen their action as that of mentally deranged people. Had there been modern psychology then, they might have found them violently anti-authoritarianistic. They might have claimed that these people, instead of harboring true grievances against the King and His Officers, had a mental disease which made them unfit to live among the civilized ones. They might have claimed their brain was defective, diseased, corrupted, disabled of the ability to think properly. That they did not is a credit to British common sense.

O that we too in America today could think people hold valid grievances against our own government instead of painting them broadly with the brush of mental illness and washing our hands of the mistreatment they suffer at the hands of our own agents...

Re: Why Anti-Authoritarians are Diagnosed as Mentally Ill (2012)

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Post by Stratoscope »

cema wrote: post #154
Stratoscope wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another way to put it, I suppose you could say, is that the difference between prose and free verse is the number of lines.

Not the number, more like the form, but in general the difference between poetry and, uh, prose is something I do not quite understand.

  > Not the number,
  > more like the form,

  Now that's a great start!
  I wonder if the art is knowing when to go on until your breath runs out,
  and when to keep it
  short.

Re: Why Anti-Authoritarians are Diagnosed as Mentally Ill (2012)

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Post by [deleted] »

neilk wrote: post #3

I sometimes ask mental health professionals what the converse of Oppositional Defiant Disorder is. At what point do we recognize a disorder in a child who is unnaturally compliant and obedient? No answer so far. I ask because I think I had this. When I was a young prodigy I had the mentality of a performing seal. It's true that some people have difficulty controlling themselves, and they do need help. But the lack of…

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Re: Why Anti-Authoritarians are Diagnosed as Mentally Ill (2012)

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Post by JacksonGariety »

neilk wrote: post #3

I sometimes ask mental health professionals what the converse of Oppositional Defiant Disorder is. At what point do we recognize a disorder in a child who is unnaturally compliant and obedient? No answer so far. I ask because I think I had this. When I was a young prodigy I had the mentality of a performing seal. It's true that some people have difficulty controlling themselves, and they do need help. But the lack of…

> At what point do we recognize a disorder in a child who is unnaturally compliant and obedient? No answer so far.

But if you give it a name people will start to recognize it and they will be harder to control!

Nice idea though, in theory.

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