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Where I live, kids under 15 have to wear a helmet while biking. But I never see any kids wearing helmets. Because laws that cannot be enforced will be ignored freely. Piracy is supposedly illegal, but look at the attitudes towards it: it's not considered a crime because it's impossible to enforce. Perhaps bitcoins while be regulated, but will it not get green-stamped by the general public just like piracy?
Let's put it this way: if it is a crime to exchange USD for Bitcoin, where are you going to get your Bitcoin money? Bitcoin would die overnight if exchanges went away, and most people are not going to send an envelope full of cash to some shady person on the Internet.
Go ahead, pass the Internet tax. Your (foreign) competitors thank you.
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#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
Again, and respectfully, I don't think handling sales tax filings for a small business is a huge hurdle compared to some of the craziness that even small business accountants are routinely called on to do. Your point upthread was "no small business person can handle filings to 50 states". I'll stipulate that! My response is just, people with real businesses usually don't (and shouldn't) DIY their taxes anyways.
They dont? And shouldnt? Why not? The point someone here is trying to make is that what was once simple is potentially going to become inordinately difficult. Not impossible but very difficult. And by who's determination is my business "not real" if I do my own taxes??? At least I do my taxes more accurately than Geithner does or did AND HE got to sign our dollar bills! Was his business "not real"? Once again, thanks…
The internet certainly makes it easier to say take orders from people in many different jurisdictions at once, but why should you get to avoid the other business realities of operating in multiple jurisdictions just because you're an internet business? You might see everyone as just an IP address, but in the real world, groups of those IP addresses are parts of sovereign entities called state and national governments, and each of those groups are governed by different laws. Just being an internet business shouldn't insulate you from the reality that exists once you break through the IP address abstraction.
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#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
Again, and respectfully, I don't think handling sales tax filings for a small business is a huge hurdle compared to some of the craziness that even small business accountants are routinely called on to do. Your point upthread was "no small business person can handle filings to 50 states". I'll stipulate that! My response is just, people with real businesses usually don't (and shouldn't) DIY their taxes anyways.
They dont? And shouldnt? Why not? The point someone here is trying to make is that what was once simple is potentially going to become inordinately difficult. Not impossible but very difficult. And by who's determination is my business "not real" if I do my own taxes??? At least I do my taxes more accurately than Geithner does or did AND HE got to sign our dollar bills! Was his business "not real"? Once again, thanks…
I've seen small business try to do taxes and accounting themselves. Even if the people were, literally, math geniuses, they couldn't do it right.
A small business should have someone come in one a month or once a quarter to go over your books and do your tax payments.
It's yet another example of "if you think a professional is expensive, wait until you hire an amateur."
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#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
On the flip side, it'll remove a major reason to start a business in Oregon or another state without a sales tax.
Recent transplant to California, and I now have to go back to Oregon whenever I make a major purchase. A weekend trip to see friends, have an Amazon order shipped to them.
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#105> What lawmakers fail to understand is that taxation specific to the internet, ostensibly to boost revenues into government coffers, in practice will probably diminish them as US businesses lose competitiveness against foreign companies. And what you fail to understand is that if everything is sacrificed in the name of "competitiveness", then every country will be in a race for the bottom. It already happens, with ou…
My only real problem with a "race to the bottom" is when the competition is between countries with differences on subjects like human rights, since then it puts pressure on those involved to lower their own standards on those important issues as well, until they reach equilibrium. Otherwise I'd call it healthy competition, which I consider constructive in any democracy.
Else, why is slavery not allowed and having a guy working for 80 hours a week, with no paid overtime, and lax working safety is?
Because he supposedly "has a choice not to work"? Well, millions of people accepting those jobs rarely have a choice.
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#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Is that what you did? The main point was that corporations outside US jurisdiction will have a competitive advantage simply by not being in the US. You rebut claiming competitiveness is a non-factor in considering regulation, citing outsourcing and cheap foreign labor as evidence? No, I never claimed " competitiveness is a non-factor in considering regulation ". I merely said, in a lot more words, that competitiven…
> I merely said, in a lot more words, that competitiveness should not be the BE ALL END ALL factor in considering regulation. Who was making that point? > Moreover, I said that this kind of "competitiveness" while great for the company that benefits from it, it's not that great for the country that hosts the company and its general population, and it can be a race to the bottom. How do you know? Would countries that…
Lots of people. Including the EasyDNS post, implicitly.
>How do you know? Would countries that employ child labor be slingshotted into the first-world because they adopted effective regulations? I speculate they'd be unemployed and go hungry.
Only I made the reverse argument: that countries without child labour should not introduce it to compete with those countries.
And in general, that countries with higher working standards should not lower them to compete with third world countries, dictatorships etc, in a race to the bottom.
But, to also answer your question, I'd rather they go hungry than they use child labor, if that were the two options. Would you be OK with forced labor, ie slavery, if that was their only way to be competitive and not "go hungry"?
All this is a false dichotomy you set up anyway. It's not "child labor" vs "hungry". Child labor is not employed because it's their only hope to compete, it's merely employed because they lack the regulations to enforce otherwise. If the employers in that country (and the huge multinationals that contract them) could not take advantage of 12 year old children in sweatshops, they'd pay a little more and employ their parents.
It's not a case of "we can compete any other way". It's a case, "Hey, the laws here allow me to fuck over these people for an increased profit, so why not do it?".
>Again, how do you know? Did Michael Moore tell you?
Well, for one I'm not an American, and I have far wider horizons than Michael Moore. Should I also assume a caricature of you as some Fox News watching foaming at the mouth republican? It would be of similar quality and subtlety to your Michael Moore thing. Quite provincial, are we?
Anyway, no Michael didn't tell me. Not being provincial, following world economy news, a quite extensive reading on the matter, and travelling (but not as some naive first world tourist), "told me".
> It means that the "benefits of a globalised economy" are mainly for company owners, moguls, managers, golden boys and the like, and more often praised than seen in reality. Again, how do you know? Did Michael Moore tell you? > Samsung (or Apple) can make billions in the US market, but that doesn't mean you get to add those to the GDP and be happy about it. What? How does Apple not affect the GDP? What aren't you happy about?
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#107This post is idiotic for at least 3 reasons I can think of: 1. The tax is not "specific to the internet" but is designed to make it so that internet-only businesses are required to collect the same taxes that bricks'n'mortar businesses are required to. 2. EasyDNS's right to sell to US customers is regulated under a giant freaking, bureaucratic law known as NAFTA. If they every got large enough to compete with large U…
Brick-and-mortar businesses collect, at most, two sales taxes. Even if a customer from every single state walks in their door. They can engage one local accountant and pretty much have all their questions about tax classification of different products/services, filing requirements, etc. covered. Online retailers will have to collect, at most, 53 different taxes, under 53 different tax codes, remitted to 53 different…
More than that, actually; I have no idea where you get 53 from; the relevant entities ("states" as defined in the MFA) include the 50 states, the District of Columbia, 5 named territories, and "any other territory or possession of the United States."
But its not just "online retailers", its any remote seller. Including anyone who does online and/or mail and/or phone sales, which includes lots of entities that are also brick and mortar outlets. But only if they choose to sell into each of those jurisdictions: you choose where you will accept orders from, and as a consequence of that choice you choose which tax laws you will deal with. Just like with a brick and mortar business, where you choose where you open outlets, and as a consequence of that choice you choose which tax laws you will deal with.
And each of those jurisdictions is required to provide free-of-charge software to calculate tax rates and hold retailers harmless for any errors due to the software.
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#108This post seems to imply that we're considering a special Internet tax here. Last I heard, the proposed bill was simply about removing the special exemption Internet and mail order purchases currently enjoy. Since when is there an additional, special Internet tax being proposed?
So re-frame it as the removal of the exemption. Makes no difference how you spell that out, it adds up to an increase in taxes on goods sold / bought for American companies.
No, it doesn't. US buyers were already responsible for local use taxes for remote purchases. This just shifts who is responsible for the taxes to the retailer (if the taxing states opt-in, which requires them to adhere to certain tax streamlining provisions and other requirements that make the process simpler for retailers.)
This is a tax simplification and collection efficiency measure that doesn't change the amount of tax due on any sale.
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#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's bad about it?
I don't have time to read 50 states' tax codes, file 50 tax returns and potentially be audited 50 times a year. What small business does?
If, even with the streamlining and support required for states to opt-in to the provisions of the MFA, you can't do that, you can just choose not to sell into those states. Why should remote sellers be favored over local sellers by not being required to make that choice about where they are willing to do business?
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#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you make over $1mm annually? If not, you're exempt from this bill already.
It's not make $1mm, it's sell $1mm. At a 3-5% net profit, that's $30-50k/year before taxes, or so small you can't even hire a first employee yet. And that's the category the online store for my father's retail shop is in.
Its not either. Its have over $1 million in remote sales in the prior year.
> At a 3-5% net profit, that's $30-50k/year before taxes, or so small you can't even hire a first employee yet.
Well, since net profit is after operating expenses (including labor costs), that's only "so small you can't even hire a first employee yet" if you expect the net value produced by that employee to be negative 30-50k per annum, in which case you it would be economically irrational to hire the employee even if you could afford it while remaining profitable. (While the numbers change, the general observation is true for any non-negative net profit amount: if you expect a positive return from an employee, you can "afford" to hire them -- and expect to be profitable afterwards -- anytime you have either a non-negative net profit, or a negative net profit that is smaller than the expected net value provided by the employee.)