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Go ahead, pass the Internet tax. Your (foreign) competitors thank you.

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Re: Go ahead, pass the Internet tax. Your (foreign) competitors thank you.

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe is already taxing all internet purchases made within it's borders. I was buying some shoes in UK and only after I assured the seller that Ukraine was outside of EU was the tax taken off the price.

But that's because of the internal market, that isn't some specific internet tax, is it?

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Re: Go ahead, pass the Internet tax. Your (foreign) competitors thank you.

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>What lawmakers fail to understand is that taxation specific to the internet, ostensibly to boost revenues into government coffers, in practice will probably diminish them as US businesses lose competitiveness against foreign companies.

And what you fail to understand is that if everything is sacrificed in the name of "competitiveness", then every country will be in a race for the bottom.

It already happens, with outsourcing, cheap foreign labour, tax heavens etc. A successful US company used to benefit American society at large (beyond merely paying some wages) -- and this is what made the US rich with a large middle class etc.

Now (with outsourcing, factories in China, money kept in foreign accounts that never make it back to the US, tax havens enabling the company to pay almost nothing in taxes etc) a company can be American in name, but of no more benefit to the US as a country than Toyota or Samsung.

And no, places that are strongholds of industry and innovation don't help much either. A 100 billion new innovative product out of Silicon Valley can be as lost a boon to the country as any innovation coming from Tokyo or Europe.

Hence, shrinking middle class, hence budget and trade deficits, hence trouble.

Of course, for those owing or running companies and benefiting from the whole thing, business hasn't been better. But those benefiting are increasingly fewer (and the few tend to benefit all the more, hence huge imbalances in inequality).

I'm not saying that amazingly successful companies cannot come out of this situation. I'm saying that this success trickles down to the overall country/society, far less than what it did in the past. Coming to a point where it will be possible to be the host of the worlds greatest companies AND having a population living like in a third world country.

The only reason everything has not collapsed already is because there are other advantages beyond "cheap" that keep companies throwing a bone to the US. The infrastructure, the engineering savvy, and of course the inherited middle class and large market, from better times. But those things are rooted in the past and are transient.

>To our American friends, easyDNS is a foreign company, so don't let us stop you.

And how about you aren't let to serve customers in the US unless you pay taxes too?

How would you feel about losing the rich US market then?

And how about people in Europe and other affluent societies conspired so that you cannot sell your crap without paying proper taxes to someone?

(I'm not even arguing in favor of the internet tax. Just against the arguments easyDNS used here against it. Heck, I'm not even American. I just know that those same issues affect my country too).

Re: Go ahead, pass the Internet tax. Your (foreign) competitors thank you.

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post #19

The US government will just mandate that any online business doing business with US citizens has to collect that tax on behalf of the IRS. Quarterly deposits will be acceptable.

How would the US government mandate a non-US business do anything? They can't prohibit US citizens from buying from these companies without violating their own free-trade agreements. That'd be a bad idea, since 41% of the country's exports go to countries we've signed those treaties with.

I imagine the US government could just add said non-US business to an embargo list of some sort. Prevent them from doing any business whatsoever with US citizens.

Re: Go ahead, pass the Internet tax. Your (foreign) competitors thank you.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying that Network Solutions and GoDaddy should have seats in Congress?

I think he's saying that individuals that sell online shouldn't be taxed by state legislators they didn't elect. Congress won't be setting the internet sales tax rates, nor administering the tax, nor conducting its audits -- the 50 individual states will be imposing their individual rules.

It's the person that's paying for the product being taxed, and the merchant is merely collecting that tax. At least, that would be my interpretation.

Re: Go ahead, pass the Internet tax. Your (foreign) competitors thank you.

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post #19

The US government will just mandate that any online business doing business with US citizens has to collect that tax on behalf of the IRS. Quarterly deposits will be acceptable.

How would the US government mandate a non-US business do anything? They can't prohibit US citizens from buying from these companies without violating their own free-trade agreements. That'd be a bad idea, since 41% of the country's exports go to countries we've signed those treaties with.

The same way they mandate foreign law enforcement to do their bidding.

Re: Go ahead, pass the Internet tax. Your (foreign) competitors thank you.

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post #19

The US government will just mandate that any online business doing business with US citizens has to collect that tax on behalf of the IRS. Quarterly deposits will be acceptable.

How would the US government mandate a non-US business do anything? They can't prohibit US citizens from buying from these companies without violating their own free-trade agreements. That'd be a bad idea, since 41% of the country's exports go to countries we've signed those treaties with.

I guess there's the open question of forcing foreign agents to collect and report IRS-friendly numbers. But it's not like taxing of import items is a new idea or a controversial one. The US government has been collecting duties for as long as it has existed.

Re: Go ahead, pass the Internet tax. Your (foreign) competitors thank you.

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In EU internet purchases were always taxed, and yet online-only competitors still manage to compete with brick-and-mortar stores very successfully. So this article is quite bollocks.

Everything was taxed, equally (with a few exceptions like food). No wasted time figuring out which tax to use, keeping up with tax changes, arguing why the brick & mortar store has a 5% rate while the online shop has 10%, etc.

Over the pond it's the same for everybody. Doesn't seem so in the US.

Re: Go ahead, pass the Internet tax. Your (foreign) competitors thank you.

#29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would the US government mandate a non-US business do anything? They can't prohibit US citizens from buying from these companies without violating their own free-trade agreements. That'd be a bad idea, since 41% of the country's exports go to countries we've signed those treaties with.

I imagine the US government could just add said non-US business to an embargo list of some sort. Prevent them from doing any business whatsoever with US citizens.

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Re: Go ahead, pass the Internet tax. Your (foreign) competitors thank you.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would the US government mandate a non-US business do anything? They can't prohibit US citizens from buying from these companies without violating their own free-trade agreements. That'd be a bad idea, since 41% of the country's exports go to countries we've signed those treaties with.

I imagine the US government could just add said non-US business to an embargo list of some sort. Prevent them from doing any business whatsoever with US citizens.

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