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You don’t have to feel guilty for oversleeping

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Re: You don’t have to feel guilty for oversleeping

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Post by 3pt14159 »

dionidium wrote: post #41

The thing about morning people is you just can't trust them, because a part of them will always believe that night people are lazy; they just can't get over it, no matter how rationally you explain your situation. And you can't trust people like that, because they'll never understand the difference between something they just happen to like or believe and something that is universally Right, Good, and True. To them t…

Heh, people look at me sideways for leaving at 430 when I'm in at 7. You might time people can't be trusted because we never know when you've gone home :). (Said in complete jest, of course)

Re: You don’t have to feel guilty for oversleeping

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Post by ratherbefuddled »

nijk wrote: post #42
CanSpice wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I also imagine this will be a great way for a lot more people than the 0.15 to 0.17% of the population that actually has Delayed Sleep Phase Disorder to rationalize their lack of willpower. Yep. Unless you've been professionally diagnosed, just pointing to a Wikipedia page and saying "I have that!" as an excuse for your behaviour is not the right thing to do. The same thing happened with Asperger Syndrome; it becam…

What is the difference between a disorder and being a dick? What if I have Assholegers? Is that less acceptable than Autism? Why? (Aspergers is no longer a disorder, it got rolled into autism.)

> What is the difference between a disorder and being a dick?

Choice.

Re: You don’t have to feel guilty for oversleeping

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Post by deltaqueue »

It seems as though this comments section is filled with self-proclaimed "night owls." I'm curious, have any of you read the linked articles about variables that influence people to remain awake later than they should and have these types of erratic sleep patterns / modified circadian rhythms (heavy computer use / blue light exposure)? And, have any of you tested your own reaction to curtailing these late-night activities while introducing natural sunlight stimulant in the morning?

I'm not asking in a derogatory way; I'm genuinely curious since I experimented with this myself and found positive results. My guess is that most haven't, and that it's easier just to accept a "night owl" classification in lieu of hundreds of thousands of years of human dependence on the sun and fire for light. Based on my limited research it seems that those without significant mental illness sleep well with habit and controlled stimuli (including natural light). Has anyone, through any amount of reasonable testing, found this NOT to be true?

Re: You don’t have to feel guilty for oversleeping

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Post by richforrester »

Nursie wrote: post #51
Udo wrote: post #16

People's sleep cycles are just different, even if it's not fashionable to acknowledge that. They differ with the person and they differ with the personal situation at the time. This notion that there is The One True Sleep Pattern and that everybody should adhere to it is not tenable in my opinion. It's a strategy that sells books on how to become "normal", nothing else. I'm a night person, I viscerally hate mornings,…

I'm even later than you, if not actually in constant flux (in those periods when I haven't had to stick to a work schedule). I often think I'd be more suited to a planet with 4 or 5 more hours in the day. Then I could go to bed when I actually get tired, get a decent night's sleep (10 hours) and be good for work.

If you end up finding that planet, and a ways to get there, feel free to let me know :)

Re: You don’t have to feel guilty for oversleeping

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Post by rajanikanthr »

My work used to start at 10 and it was hard to be there in the morning meeting by 10AM. I always used to be late.. people are getting changed in our team, so rules. I was asked to come by 9-9:15 and there is new meeting scheduled at 9:30 and I was being constantly mocked for being late.

I came across this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=359041 and seems this guy is similar to me, but a more severe problem. I am a consultant and not worried about getting a new job when fired and team looks for the work I have done unlike fulltime. But I hate the feeling of subtle mocking for being late by my lead in my current job :(

Re: You don’t have to feel guilty for oversleeping

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Post by voidlogic »

stephengillie wrote: post #55
voidlogic wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It looks like people don't like this being pointed out. My comment went from +5 to -2...

Were the downvotes for building a strawman argument and using it troll?

Seeing as I never disagreed with anything the author said I'd be interested to know what the strawman argument in question here is.

I did note that I think: 1. The post seemed like marketing/self promotion for his brand using a personal issue as cover and draw attention to his businesses blog. If this was a personal blog I would have no issue. 2. Many people who do not suffer from the disorder are going to use it as justification for their behaviour.

I don't see how those concerns are trolling.

Re: You don’t have to feel guilty for oversleeping

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Post by jacalata »

deltaqueue wrote: post #64

It seems as though this comments section is filled with self-proclaimed "night owls." I'm curious, have any of you read the linked articles about variables that influence people to remain awake later than they should and have these types of erratic sleep patterns / modified circadian rhythms (heavy computer use / blue light exposure)? And, have any of you tested your own reaction to curtailing these late-night activi…

Not exhaustive testing, but as a child (before ever having a computer, and with very very limited television access) I would stay awake for hours in the dark, and be dragged out of bed in the morning well after the sun had come into my room.

Re: You don’t have to feel guilty for oversleeping

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Post by 6d0debc071 »

nijk wrote: post #42
CanSpice wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I also imagine this will be a great way for a lot more people than the 0.15 to 0.17% of the population that actually has Delayed Sleep Phase Disorder to rationalize their lack of willpower. Yep. Unless you've been professionally diagnosed, just pointing to a Wikipedia page and saying "I have that!" as an excuse for your behaviour is not the right thing to do. The same thing happened with Asperger Syndrome; it becam…

What is the difference between a disorder and being a dick? What if I have Assholegers? Is that less acceptable than Autism? Why? (Aspergers is no longer a disorder, it got rolled into autism.)

Autistic people aren't always particularly annoying.

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Anyway, one's based on a deficit of ability and the other's based on a deficit of will.

Oh, I'll grant that strictly speaking the dick can't really be anything else - free will doesn't exactly show up as a major correlate.

But when you change the social pressure's in the dick's case you get different behaviours out at the other end - whereas when you change the social pressures in the autistic person's case they don't stop being autistic for all you can train some of them to fake it somewhat when they get older.

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