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You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.

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Re: You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.

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It’s your fault and your fault alone. If you're in a coma, is that your fault? If you have narcolepsy, is it your fault? If you wake up having hit a snooze button that you didn't consciously push , is that your fault? If you have a medical condition that makes it harder for you to wake up than for 99.8% of the population, is that your fault? There's a line somewhere, and I don't think the author of the original artic…

"If you're in a coma, is that your fault?"

Possibly.. why are you in a coma?

Re: You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.

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This is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever seen at the top of Hacker News. It's true, some people are just lazy, but the "author" you refer to is Jason Freedman. He's a successful YC founder who probably busts his ass harder than 99% of the people on this site. He isn't making an excuse, he's trying the fucking HELP. He still gets results, he sold a company already and 42Floors seems to be doing just fine. Everything I've ever heard about him has been positive.

People like the OP are the reason we can't have nice things.

Re: You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.

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> Just today, it was reported that three kidnapped girls fought for 10 years to finally escape – and you can’t wake up 10 minutes earlier? What would they give for just 10 of your wasted minutes?

Oh, this is the worst argument. Someone did _INCREDIBLY_HARD_THING_X, so why can't you do _THING_Y_, which almost certainly is going to be easier than X?

Re: You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.

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Wow. I don't feel guilty for over-sleeping. I've worked out a life for myself where people don't care that I sleep until 11:00. I simply don't schedule meetings or appointments for the morning, or if there's absolutely one that can't be avoided, I go to bed early and set an alarm clock to wake up for it. It is not being a sissy to know your limitations and preferences and to work around them. If you make a commitment…

"But nobody is forcing you to make that commitment in the first place."

The author's point is that many people with this "disorder" continue to make commitments they cannot keep. It is Jason Freedman who says "The one who can’t seem to consistently set the alarm clock for A.M. and not P.M. I know how it feels to be the undependable one."

If you are consciously aware of this, yet continue to make these commitments - then the author I believe argues you are a "lazy", "sissy."

Re: You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.

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Wow. I don't feel guilty for over-sleeping. I've worked out a life for myself where people don't care that I sleep until 11:00. I simply don't schedule meetings or appointments for the morning, or if there's absolutely one that can't be avoided, I go to bed early and set an alarm clock to wake up for it. It is not being a sissy to know your limitations and preferences and to work around them. If you make a commitment…

Maybe I read it differently than you, but I read the article as spurred by someone that was habitually late for meetings. More generally, excuse making. Not any particular sleep cycle.

When saying "If you make a commitment to another person, you should keep it." I see you as being in agreement with the post I just read.

Re: You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.

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Wow. I don't feel guilty for over-sleeping. I've worked out a life for myself where people don't care that I sleep until 11:00. I simply don't schedule meetings or appointments for the morning, or if there's absolutely one that can't be avoided, I go to bed early and set an alarm clock to wake up for it. It is not being a sissy to know your limitations and preferences and to work around them. If you make a commitment…

I doubt he'd have a problem with you. His issue seems pretty clearly to be with people who do not keep their commitments. If you don't start your day before 11 then obviously don't accept meeting invites before that time and you are golden. Oh wait, you work at a company where 9:00 meetings are normative? I guess that job is a commitment too, isn't it?

That does not seem at all clear to me. To me, the clear meaning is that he is addressing everyone who isn't a morning person, and merely using the case of bad-faith promises as an example of their evils. Based on the article, it's hard to imagine he'd feel differently even if the person did not promise to be there at 9 a.m., because — in his words — "earning your life is supposed to be difficult" and anyone who doesn't "put in the work" is "lazy."

Re: You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.

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post #36

My top tip for making sure you are not a zombie in the morning is: Don't eat a late dinner. Eat before 7 pm. Go to bed between 9.30 and 10.30 pm. If you want, use the time before second sleep[1] to catch up on reading. Get up when your alarm rings at 6 am. Every damn day. These are all points you certainly can control yourself. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segmented_sleep

And stop drinking coffee after 12 noon. 2pm max.

Re: You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.

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post #47
post #19

The author of this post comes across as a raging jackass. I'd never heard of Delayed Sleep Phase Syndrome until I read the other post, but it perfectly describes my life. I've never really known how to describe just how difficult it is to get up in the morning, but it is really, truly difficult. Joe Conway, you said in your post that "every single one of your actions is controllable". If you truly believe this, you s…

Does flying to a different timezone incapacitate you or do you adjust in a few days? Does daylight savings time cause you problems or do you adjust like everyone else? If you can adjust to those things, you can adjust your "normal" sleep cycle and you don't have this rare condition. The reason you have a hard time getting up "early" is that you go to sleep too late. Just go to sleep an hour earlier than "normal". Too…

Well in my case, both of those things do really screw me over pretty hard. I have to allocate a couple days to reset my schedule on any timezone change or the 'spring forward'.

That said, it's not about going to bed earlier, at least for me. You can't solve it that way. What you have to do is stay up later and later, and eventually loop over to a 'normal' time. This involves several days of non-traditional sleeping hours or extreme exhaustion.

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