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Re: Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" released

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Post by hexonexxon »

shared4you wrote: post #79
__david__ wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW, I've been running Debian "testing" on my machine since 2001-ish and I've never done anything special near releases. Except maybe rejoice at all the old packages finally getting upgraded. :-)

Didn't you run into any breakage of packages? I mean there's this mad rush into testing right after a new release. I'm thinking of running wheezy for a couple of months until the storm calms down.

i had to install a testing snapshot May 4 because wasn't sure when they were releasing stable wheezy, and needed it immediately.

only package that broke the next day after full dist-update was "less" which for some reason will not co-exist with man-db. that was it though everything else updated fine

Re: Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" released

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Post by dietrichepp »

It's interesting to see Iceweasel 10 on this list with a renewed perspective. I was doing some web development last week and spent some hours chasing after an audio latency problem when using HTML5 audio on Iceweasel/Firefox 10. It turns out that according to my web server logs, nobody uses versions that old, and when I tried using a newer version I discovered that the bugs simply don't manifest.

So I recommend to Debian users who use Iceweasel: install a newer version. You can get it directly from Debian Iceweasel maintainers, and instructions are available at: http://mozilla.debian.net

Re: Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" released

#114

Post by belorn »

petsos wrote: post #51
rogerbinns wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who says the original developers stopped supporting it? Head on over to http://www.kernel.org and you'll see that 3.2 has longterm support (ie the kernel developers backport relevant fixes and patches). There are more details at https://www.kernel.org/releases.html including end of life dates. Given the time span between Debian releases, 3.2 is an excellent choice, if not the only one.

Right, this may be true for the kernel, but it can't be and it is not true for all of Debian's packages. Case in point Django: https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.5/internals/security/ Since the release of Django 1.4, version 1.2 stopped receiving security fixes by the Django development team. What that means is that a Debian maintainer (which probably is not a Django developer) would have to hack any new security fi…

Security fixes that addresses issues in 1.2 will be back-ported from 1.4 by either A) upstream, or if that fails B) the Debian maintainer, or if that also fails, C) Debian security team. Thats the promise made by The Debian security team which cover the latest stable major release, and for the prior stable release for one year.

And it works. Most of all fixes are done by A or B, but the promise is one which the security team takes very serious. For one release, the security team backported security updates for 4 years. A achievement of taking responsibility in a "open source" project if I ever saw one.

Re: Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" released

#115

Post by mafro »

networked wrote: post #62

Glad to see Wheezy finally become Stable. I used to run Debian on a PowerPC Mac as my main desktop system and today I still use a "portable server" Palm Pre Plus running Squeeze chroot on a regular basis. In my experience Debian is really great on non-x86 hardware. Too bad the old webOS kernel means I won't be able to upgrade it to Wheezy, at least not easily. That said, I wish Debian would compete with Ubuntu LTS on…

I'm not sure where you got three years support bit from (could you point me?) Linked from the DebianReleases page you listed:

    Q: How long will security updates be provided?

    A: The security team tries to support a stable distribution 
    for about one year after the next stable distribution has been 
    released, except when another stable distribution is released 
    within this year. It is not possible to support three 
    distributions; supporting two simultaneously is already 
    difficult enough.
[1] http://www.debian.org/security/faq#lifespan

Re: Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" released

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Post by compay »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #54
jmomo wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

/opt is basically for 3rd parties to install software, because they can't be trusted to behave and integrate with the regular filesystem. The last thing you want is Oracle farking around with anything under /usr or /var, because they will fuck up your entire OS for their benefit alone. That is why /opt exists, in my understanding. /srv is a bit questionable to me. Basically it's another /var. I always used directorie…

Because Oracle cannot install to /usr/local/oracle? I don't see the value of /opt.

IIRC Unix systems were using "/opt" way before Linux was using "/usr/local". Cue the XKCD comic on competing standards: http://xkcd.com/927/

Re: Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" released

#117

Post by emillon »

hexonexxon wrote: post #111
shared4you wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't you run into any breakage of packages? I mean there's this mad rush into testing right after a new release. I'm thinking of running wheezy for a couple of months until the storm calms down.

i had to install a testing snapshot May 4 because wasn't sure when they were releasing stable wheezy, and needed it immediately. only package that broke the next day after full dist-update was "less" which for some reason will not co-exist with man-db. that was it though everything else updated fine

FYI, the less/man-db issue is tracked here:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=695361

Re: Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" released

#118

Post by petsos »

ownagefool wrote: post #103
petsos wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, it also packages tar and I can untar and install any package from source.

I dare say that's not really an apt comparison if you're going for sarcasm. If you're being serious, then um... yeah.

How is it not an apt comparison? What pip would do in this case is bypass apt and install the latest version of Django and its dependencies. If I'm going to do that I might as well build the database and server from source too to have the latest versions. But then why am I using Debian?

Re: Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" released

#119

Post by jmillikin »

mafro wrote: post #115
networked wrote: post #62

Glad to see Wheezy finally become Stable. I used to run Debian on a PowerPC Mac as my main desktop system and today I still use a "portable server" Palm Pre Plus running Squeeze chroot on a regular basis. In my experience Debian is really great on non-x86 hardware. Too bad the old webOS kernel means I won't be able to upgrade it to Wheezy, at least not easily. That said, I wish Debian would compete with Ubuntu LTS on…

I'm not sure where you got three years support bit from (could you point me?) Linked from the DebianReleases page you listed: Q: How long will security updates be provided? A: The security team tries to support a stable distribution for about one year after the next stable distribution has been released, except when another stable distribution is released within this year. It is not possible to support three distribu…

The expected duration between stable releases is two years, so "one year after the next stable" is three years.

Re: Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" released

#120

Post by vacri »

petsos wrote: post #118
ownagefool wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dare say that's not really an apt comparison if you're going for sarcasm. If you're being serious, then um... yeah.

How is it not an apt comparison? What pip would do in this case is bypass apt and install the latest version of Django and its dependencies. If I'm going to do that I might as well build the database and server from source too to have the latest versions. But then why am I using Debian?

Because it provides a stable environment for all packages outside of the special one you're personally managing.
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