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I feel like Gmail went from being Photoshop to Draw Something

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Re: I feel like Gmail went from being Photoshop to Draw Something

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Post by isaacaggrey »

oinksoft wrote: post #237
esrauch wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it really unconventional though? Tab for navigation is the default behavior for HTML form inputs and contenteditable. I can't think of a website that I use that has input boxes that have tab do indent actually.

I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a widely used rich text editor, be it TinyMCE, CKEditor, YUI Editor or ExtJS' HtmlEditor that doesn't map the Tab key to insert a tabstop or a number of non-breaking spaces. goog.editor.Field is absolutely in the minority in that regard. There are good design reasons for this. The goog.editor package is designed to be modular. This tab-to-indent behavior is instead provided by th…

I'm not sure if it's because they are demo versions (and my experiences echoes esrauch's), but every rich text editor you listed except YUI Editor actually does _not_ map the Tab key to insert a tabstop or spaces.

[1]: http://ckeditor.com/demo [2]: http://www.tinymce.com/tryit/basic.php [3]: http://try.sencha.com/extjs/4.1.1/docs/Ext.form.field.HtmlEd...

Re: I feel like Gmail went from being Photoshop to Draw Something

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Post by recursive »

recursive wrote: post #231
zaidf wrote: post #213

Yes, yes, yes. What the fuck is going on with design/UX at gmail? It just becomes suckier progressively. Yesterday I attached a document 3-4 times during the course of my writing the email because there is no way to know if a document has been attached already. But if you start uploading another document, it will list out the documents already attached. What an incredible fail. And sadly, this is a trend, not an edge…

This is what I see after attaching a file. What do you see?

Oops, forgot link: http://imgur.com/b3iW4p5

Re: I feel like Gmail went from being Photoshop to Draw Something

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Post by black4eternity »

The whole redesign seems to based on the idea that I need to look at my inbox when composing an email. Well, I don't.

And I personally use inbox in one tab and the compose email in the other. It is easier to switch tabs than learning to use the new interface. Also, it is frustrating to type in the smaller compose window. Seriously Google has screwed up the interface of Analytics and Gmail in the last year.

Who ever has been doing there UI is surely not getting the User Feedback.

Re: I feel like Gmail went from being Photoshop to Draw Something

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Post by dredmorbius »

manicbovine wrote: post #59
sp332 wrote: post #8

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When Gmail first launched, they made a big deal of the fact that their user testing revealed ~11 different types of user with distinct workflows. They made sure the Gmail interface supported all those workflows well. It seems like the new interface is going after just one or two, and making life harder for everyone else. I think I will switch back to a desktop email client for day-to-day use and only use the web inte…

> I think I will switch back to a desktop email client for day-to-day use and only use the web interface when I'm on a different computer. I primarily use Mutt because I spend most of my time in a console. I know Mutt gets a bad rap, but it's actively developed, super fast, has excellent (customizable) keyboard shortcuts, and is dead-simple to use if you're already on the command line. Plus, you can bring along your…

Another mutt user here. It's the best email client I've used, and that's saying a lot, covering a bunch of years, and includes recent and modern ones.

It's fast, light, and the keyboard-driven functionality works very, very well for me.

The main issues I've got with it:

Plays poorly when others send highly formatted mail. I prefer treating email as straight text. HTML-marked up email with color to indicate, say, various quoting levels, obviously doesn't work (it's fragile in any regard). I'll generally keep a secondary GUI mailer (usually KMail from Kontact, the KDE PIM) for such needs.

Lack of native tag support. Gmail's ability to tag messages is useful. There are extensions and rewrites which offer similar functionality in mutt.

Slow performance on very large mailboxes. With >10k messages, I start seeing performance fall of for various mailbox operations, especially search. There are indexing tools to speed this.

Re: I feel like Gmail went from being Photoshop to Draw Something

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Post by iamshs »

recursive wrote: post #233
joering2 wrote: post #150

The biggest disappointment was to kill drag and drop attachments. Now you have to click the paper clip and pick the picture (one by one!) form your PC. In my opinion that's an indication that Google wants to discourage you from adding a lot of attachments to your mail because they don't make money off the bandwidth you are using. To me its another indication that Gmail at some point in near future may be doomed to su…

Drag and drop still works for me.

Well it did not and does not not work for me. I am talking about images here.

Re: I feel like Gmail went from being Photoshop to Draw Something

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Post by lostlogin »

ebbv wrote: post #160
lostlogin wrote: post #151

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The gmail interface is so very far from clean in my experience. Apples offering stands in stark contrast, such that the irritations with it (I'm not blind, massive buttons, huge click areas, low information density, missing features) are bearable.

I was referring to the reasons I started using Gmail. I started using Gmail when it was still invite only. At the time Gmail's interface was refreshingly clean.

Ah, got it. I joined in those days to - I still remember the email saying I was in arriving. Bye bye hotmail. For all my gmail complaints, I could do a lot worse.

Re: I feel like Gmail went from being Photoshop to Draw Something

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Post by iamshs »

taigeair wrote: post #191
iamshs wrote: post #170

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Bang On. I encountered this a week before too. I had to pick the pictures, drag and drop just in-lined them. On attaching the pictures, there was hardly any space in the window left to write any words. I am in transition to another email provider, but I am being forced to do so, and at a critical juncture for me personally.

Seriously I don't want to inline pictures sometimes. And guess what? If you delete it? You don't know if the picture is still attached because there is no visual feedback. Try it. 1. hit c 2. drag a picture into email 3. delete picture from email body 4. now i don't know if it's in attachment still or just removed from body.

Yes. I had to double check too, since the pictures were of wide dimensions. I totally agree with the original post, I am also personally annoyed by this change. Another thing i hate is how it hides the "sent from" address, when the text focus is in the body. I use lots of emails aliases, and want to double check the address that I am sending the e-mail from. I have to click on the field, to see the address again. It is just one more click involved, instead of a glance.

This is exactly why, I am moving onto outlook.com or maybe as another poster suggested use it as a spam filter and set up my stuff.

Re: I feel like Gmail went from being Photoshop to Draw Something

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Post by iamshs »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #238
iamshs wrote: post #140

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I agree. I am annoyed by the two menu bars, and also +You thing. Further i used Google Scholar regularly, but now I cannot find it even in the drop down menu. I cannot customize those menu bars, according to my use case. Also, there used to be an option to search videos, instead it has now been replaced with a Youtube option. It is amazing, Google used to be so custom friendly, atleast I perceived them to be...and wi…

You guys should see what they've done with Groups. :( The inmates have truly taken over the Googleplex asylum.

Well, no going back now. With upcoming Google Glass this behavior will become even more prevalent.

Re: I feel like Gmail went from being Photoshop to Draw Something

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Post by jonny_eh »

sanjeevmundluru wrote: post #133
w1ntermute wrote: post #131

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It solves the problem for the most part, which is what's important here. We're not building a rocket.

This shouldn't BE a problem in the first place... and that's just the problem.

and there shouldn't be corruption in government. Why is that relevant? Problems either exist or they don't.
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