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Re: Manchester City Council

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Post by charliepark »

lucb1e wrote: post #212
evo_9 wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the title changing has gotten seriously out of hand lately. I don't get it either, it's not like the original title was confusing (unlike the new title).

I was thinking the same. Could a mod elaborate on this please?

I don't know that any of them will actually respond … a number of people have been complaining about this, and I can't recall a time when they've responded at all, let alone with anything reasoned, or reasonable. But it's ridiculous.

The best word I have for it is that it feels paternalistic. I think there are many occasions where HN commenters write dumb things and reflect on themselves poorly. And in many cases, the original title of the linked page is fine. But people writing blog posts (or just titling demo pages or other sites, like the one linked here) aren't writing their titles with the intent that their title will give context to the readers of a random forum. It's bizarre that HN mods change the titles, and I really wish they would stop.

Re: Manchester City Council

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Post by droopyEyelids »

meerita wrote: post #191
larrydavid wrote: post #177

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It's a shame you're being downvoted, hopefully constructive feed back will eventually bubble to the top. There was a similar submission yesterday where this occurred. Clearly there are a group of elite web designers, UI and UX specialists that parade this site, who, unsurprisingly, have empty profiles. How else are we supposed to see their portfolio of exceptional work so we know what to aspire to?

This is a fallacy. If you need to show something to prove or give an opinion or a reason about 2+2=4 then we will have troubles to discuss on anything. You cannot use argumentum ad hominem to this point. If people has to shown their portfolios or other stuff to prove their skillmanship you're only wasting time and finding on the wrong place to prove your points, since those designs may not apply or be used as a good…

We do have troubles discussing things.

Unfortunately, the world is so complicated that we can't make an informed decision based on speech/writing alone, and verification of achievements is one of the easiest and most accurate ways to judge credibility.

Re: Manchester City Council

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Post by arethuza »

xlevus wrote: post #187

What's with the last image in the carousel? It seems to take strong cues from soviet propaganda. The red flag, workers holding their tools, ready to fight. Did Manchester become the Soviet Republic of Manchester? http://img0083.popscreencdn.com/101036667_amazoncom-chinese-...

If that image was based on a picture of a Soviet leader then I do think it would be odd.

However, as its clearly based on an image of the Soviet people then I don't associate anything negative or inappropriate with it. After all, a lot of people in the UK still remember that it was mainly the Soviets who defeated the Nazis - resulting in incredible suffering and hardship for the people there.

Re: Manchester City Council

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Post by stedaniels »

jonhmchan wrote: post #97

I'm the front end technical lead for a major department in a top 10 U.S. State (that's all I can say). As much as I love the way that certain public sector entities are embracing modern design principles for their sites, there is a balance to be struck. Form always follows function when it comes to design, and when it comes to government, function requires that the site is as accessible as possible. Color selection,…

"that's all I can say".

Lame. Put your money where your mouth is. It wouldn't take much work to find out just which State department has got Deloitte in.

Re: Manchester City Council

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Post by yarrel »

jabbernotty wrote: post #203
tobydownton wrote: post #140

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I just started as a BA at Westminster, currently working on customer journeys and user stories, redesigned website and content to follow early next year....watch this space...!

What is a BA?

Bachelor of Arts.

Re: Manchester City Council

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Post by ivix »

hglaser wrote: post #169
DigitalSea wrote: post #70

I applaud the change and thinking outside of the box, but the Manchester City Council website looks like a $45 Wordpress theme off of Themeforest. The slider appears to offer no value to the site other than taking up a massive amount of room without really justifying its existence. I'm not a designer, I'm a developer and I am struggling to understand the reasoning behind that slider. While I agree that the trendy loo…

What a predictable top comment for a Hacker News thread. :( A government website showcases a design that is leaps and bounds ahead of any other government site we can think of , and HN's top comment casually dismisses it. To rewrite something you said: "This is the perfect example of everything wrong with [HN comments]." I, for one, am floored that someone in city government was able to rise above the bureaucracy and…

Whole heartedly agree. So dissapointed to see people picking holes in the design, when actually the site's functionality works extremely well and is far ahead of almost any other comparable local authority website.

Re: Manchester City Council

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Post by alan_cx »

hglaser wrote: post #169
DigitalSea wrote: post #70

I applaud the change and thinking outside of the box, but the Manchester City Council website looks like a $45 Wordpress theme off of Themeforest. The slider appears to offer no value to the site other than taking up a massive amount of room without really justifying its existence. I'm not a designer, I'm a developer and I am struggling to understand the reasoning behind that slider. While I agree that the trendy loo…

What a predictable top comment for a Hacker News thread. :( A government website showcases a design that is leaps and bounds ahead of any other government site we can think of , and HN's top comment casually dismisses it. To rewrite something you said: "This is the perfect example of everything wrong with [HN comments]." I, for one, am floored that someone in city government was able to rise above the bureaucracy and…

To agree with you I have to agree that this site is "leaps and bounds ahead of any other government site we can think of", and that it is "truly useful and delightful for citizens" over and above previous sites and or designs.

I'm very sorry, but I don't agree with either.

Is that OK with you? Am I allowed to have my own opinion and express it? Am I some sort of idiot because I don't agree? Am I expected to say nothing?

I would say why, but clearly you would find it predictable and all :(

Re: Manchester City Council

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Post by alan_cx »

jakejake wrote: post #194
meerita wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a fallacy. If you need to show something to prove or give an opinion or a reason about 2+2=4 then we will have troubles to discuss on anything. You cannot use argumentum ad hominem to this point. If people has to shown their portfolios or other stuff to prove their skillmanship you're only wasting time and finding on the wrong place to prove your points, since those designs may not apply or be used as a good…

Well, it is actually an interesting idea. I personally am not a designer yet I feel ok offering my criticism of a design.

Since designers are supposed to design for non designers, your criticism is vital to the process.

Re: Manchester City Council

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Post by alan_cx »

nfoz wrote: post #117

Please tell me you're joking. The #1 priority of government websites should be accessibility , not looking cool with whatever garbage unusable web trends are popular du jour and supported by only a handful of desktop browsers running on modern hardware.

Totally agree. All I see is the web site equivalent of William Hague in a baseball cap.
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