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Re: Portal Released For Steam On Linux

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Post by spacelizard »

forrestthewoods wrote: post #79
spacelizard wrote: post #45

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>The software industry is heading in very bad directions, and this is at least a glimmer of hope. I don't buy this -- Steam is just another walled garden app store with the same conflicts of interest that we're used to seeing, such as giving top billing to their own products on their store, using DRM, promoting itself as an advertising space, etc. The problem I have is: where are all the GPL'ed games? The Torque Engi…

Most good games are made by people who are paid to make them. Or people who hope to pay themselves when their game is finished and sold. It's hard to get a large volume of unpaid volunteers to collectively work together on a creative endeavor. If I'm going to spend my free time working on something creative then it's going to follow my vision and not someone else's. If you want a community driven game nothing is stop…

Whoa - I'm not advocating for people to work unpaid. Don't know where you got that idea. I just don't think anything can really honestly advertise itself as being "mod friendly" or "community friendly" unless it's GPL.

Re: Portal Released For Steam On Linux

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Post by keithpeter »

JonnieCache wrote: post #78
chongli wrote: post #53

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They are in danger should Microsoft ever gain a significant foothold with the Windows Store. Microsoft can turn off "side-loading" of software in Windows and lock everyone into their walled garden. If Valve hasn't successfully migrated away from Windows by that point they will be completely screwed.

> Microsoft can turn off "side-loading" of software in Windows and lock everyone into their walled garden. I think the EU might have something to say about that.

Not to mention corporate customers with inhouse business applications.

Perhaps WindowsRT will become the consumer OS and Windows (x86) will be the 'professional' OS

Re: Portal Released For Steam On Linux

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Post by shmerl »

Afforess wrote: post #47
Skoofoo wrote: post #36

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I would sympathize with Valve if they didn't completely ignore Linux before acting like the Linux community's best friend when it became apparent that they had nowhere else to turn to [1]. Like many, I'm a fan of their games and their flat management, but they have a history of being as short-sighted and callous as EA and I wish more people would see that [2]. I have a lot more respect for the people behind Humble Bu…

What? Humble BundLe totally sold out their integrity after they let THQ sell their games with the Humble Bundle brand, without linux versions and with DRM. [1] http://www.penny-arcade.com/report/article/the-humble-thq-bu... [2] http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2012/11/humble-thq-bundle-thre...

Yes, that bundle was upsetting. I hope they don't continue this kind of stuff.

Re: Portal Released For Steam On Linux

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Post by pudquick »

thejosh wrote: post #24
rinon wrote: post #10

Now if we can only get semi-stable, long-term graphics driver support for Linux to be able to play these games. I think there may be light at the end of that tunnel, since hardware vendors seem to be providing more support for Linux now.

It's gotten so much better since Valve started to port over their games and they launched Steam for Linux which helped bring other Linux games to light. This forced a good update to nVidia cards that helped boost all cards performance under Linux to be actually playable. Once they port over DOTA2 (currently one of their most popular games that makes $$ after Team Fortress 2) this should also cause a large kickstart i…

Valve had exactly this effect on Apple's included video drivers when Steam was originally released for the Mac:

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-20014102-263.html

Re: Portal Released For Steam On Linux

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Post by chongli »

w1ntermute wrote: post #71
chongli wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are in danger should Microsoft ever gain a significant foothold with the Windows Store. Microsoft can turn off "side-loading" of software in Windows and lock everyone into their walled garden. If Valve hasn't successfully migrated away from Windows by that point they will be completely screwed.

Given the importance of backwards compatibility for corporate Windows users and the history Microsoft has with the Justice Department, I find such a situation very hard to fathom. Microsoft is not Apple - they cannot use the Reality Distortion Field to get away scot-free with imposing draconian restrictions on their user base.

They'll just turn on signed side-loading in the high-end corporate version of the OS; with Microsoft providing the (revokable) signing keys as part of the corporate site license.

As for the Justice Department intervention? I wouldn't hold my breath.

Re: Portal Released For Steam On Linux

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Post by Already__Taken »

chongli wrote: post #53
w1ntermute wrote: post #52

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I don't think that Valve is at danger at all. The types of games on Steam are COMPLETELY different from what is on app stores, and so are the prices and consumer behavior. People will pay large sums of money on Steam, in a way they won't in a mobile app store. And you can trust that you're getting a quality game.

They are in danger should Microsoft ever gain a significant foothold with the Windows Store. Microsoft can turn off "side-loading" of software in Windows and lock everyone into their walled garden. If Valve hasn't successfully migrated away from Windows by that point they will be completely screwed.

MS would never be able to pull that one with an existing install base, so that's something we'd have to not buy in the first place, perhaps winRT 2.0 might look locked down like that.

The other scenario would be if windows moved to a rolling distribution type model, perhaps even for free. They could pull that move then.

Re: Portal Released For Steam On Linux

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Post by Aissen »

JonnieCache wrote: post #78
chongli wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are in danger should Microsoft ever gain a significant foothold with the Windows Store. Microsoft can turn off "side-loading" of software in Windows and lock everyone into their walled garden. If Valve hasn't successfully migrated away from Windows by that point they will be completely screwed.

> Microsoft can turn off "side-loading" of software in Windows and lock everyone into their walled garden. I think the EU might have something to say about that.

Yeah, just like they had something to say about the iOS walled garden.

Also, I'm sure the bankruptcy courts will wait for a policy change before allowing Valve's (or any of those walled garden competitors) dismemberment.

Re: Portal Released For Steam On Linux

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Post by Joeri »

JonnieCache wrote: post #78
chongli wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are in danger should Microsoft ever gain a significant foothold with the Windows Store. Microsoft can turn off "side-loading" of software in Windows and lock everyone into their walled garden. If Valve hasn't successfully migrated away from Windows by that point they will be completely screwed.

> Microsoft can turn off "side-loading" of software in Windows and lock everyone into their walled garden. I think the EU might have something to say about that.

The EU didn't force apple to open up iOS, and this is with a near monopoly in the tablet space. Microsoft doesn't have to close down windows, they just need to make windows rt the default option for consumers wanting to get a machine that runs office and some games.

Re: Portal Released For Steam On Linux

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Post by Aissen »

dmoy wrote: post #64
likeclockwork wrote: post #48

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Weird. I use a Das Keyboard and a $10 logitech mouse. I've never had any problems with mouse or keyboard on linux, ever. They have always 'just worked'. Is everyone with these stories using some obscure hardware which requires propietary windows drivers and/or some obscure distribution or something? I'm not trying to be snarky or dismissive, but I've been using Linux for the last 14 years and I've never had any of th…

No, I've never had to download some weird proprietary driver for windows, keyboard or mouse. Doesn't work to me on vanillia ubuntu, dug around for a few hours trying to find a solution before just giving up and uninstalling. The lack of games is my main issue - if that was solved, I may go buy a keyboard that works on linux :p

Can you say which mouse and which keyboard you use and at least point to forum/bugs where people have complained about the problems ?

Otherwise it might look like FUD to any outsider that could help.

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