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Why Professors at San Jose State Won't Use a Harvard Professor's MOOC

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The coming widespread adoption of MOOCs is another great example of what Jaron Lanier calls Mass Unemployment Events. Driverless cars will be another. Together we trudge on towards a future requiring a basic minimum income.

Technology has been replacing workers for a long time, but unemployment hasn't been steadily increasing over time.

The inventor of the steam shovel was accused of causing permanent unemployment with the argument "each steam shovel will replace 100 men with shovels."

He replied "or 1000 men with teaspoons."

These "mass unemployment events" aren't anything new, and they historically haven't caused long-lasting unemployment.

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My first thought was this was another case of the "old guard" being afraid of change, but I read their letter and I actually agree with some of their points.

The obvious downside is the lack of interaction with the lecturing professor.

This was another point I hadn't thought of:

"The thought of the exact same social justice course being taught in various philosophy departments across the country is downright scary - something out of a dystopian novel"

https://chronicle.com/article/The-Document-an-Open-Letter/13...

MOOCs are great for low cost and continuing education. I'm doing one right now, but it feels very lacking compared to my college experience, and I keep wondering how it's integrated in "real" courses.

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Educators are going to need to deliver in-person value in excess of their cost. The writing is on the wall, there is no technological limitation preventing world-class instructors from teaching everyone. This will doubtlessly be the first of many attempts by the entrenched to prevent this superior education from becoming the norm, out of fear they can't actually deliver real value aside from presenting slides.

There is a limitation: questions and answers. The place professors will have value is in direct student communication.

Questions and answers aren't uniformly distributed. The bulk of questions will be from the same small set over time. Humans are only necessary for the exceptions. While this may never go to zero, it may not justify having an expensive human around answering what are mostly predictable questions over and over for the occasional bizarre one. (And I'd bet the bizarre ones often come from further weaknesses in the previous teaching which could be ground out of the MOOC over time.)

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Maybe this is a sign that we need to further bifurcate undergraduate & professional education from research. The two functions are not necessarily related, nor do they need to be performed by the same person. Undergrads need more education and training at a lower cost, and technology is the way to achieve that. The current university system is unsustainable because technology is threatening it, it's unsustainable because few can actually afford it anymore. MOOCs aren't threatening social justice, they are creating it, by making the curricula available outside of the ivory tower. MOOCs aren't for current university students, they're for anyone with an internet connection and a desire to learn. Who cares if it's not quite up to the quality standards of a university course because of the lack of personal interaction? It's free to access, what could be more democratic than that?

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post #6

Educators are going to need to deliver in-person value in excess of their cost. The writing is on the wall, there is no technological limitation preventing world-class instructors from teaching everyone. This will doubtlessly be the first of many attempts by the entrenched to prevent this superior education from becoming the norm, out of fear they can't actually deliver real value aside from presenting slides.

There is a limitation: questions and answers. The place professors will have value is in direct student communication.

A bunch of eager students waiting to get a chance to discuss something with the educator can be handled on-line just as well as off-line, assuming both students and teachers have decent social media communicating skills.

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The coming widespread adoption of MOOCs is another great example of what Jaron Lanier calls Mass Unemployment Events. Driverless cars will be another. Together we trudge on towards a future requiring a basic minimum income.

Certainly, the world's economy would have collapsed when cars came and the horse and buggy creators lost their jobs, the printing press forced manual copiers out of business, automatic telephone switches made operators lose their job, etc. (Funny story: I have a professor that was in the Center of Mass group for NASA, where they painstakingly calculated the center of mass of each object and part of the shuttle, then…

> Certainly, the world's economy would have collapsed when cars came and the horse and buggy creators lost their jobs, the printing press forced manual copiers out of business, automatic telephone switches made operators lose their job, etc.

Transportation advances caused great economic difficulties from 1870-1890 [1]

What happens if the hits keep coming as technological innovation accelerates and new mass employment industries are not created?

> I honestly do feel bad for the people that lose their job when new tech comes around, but why should I be forced to subsidize an outdated way of life?

I would say a basic minimum income would be investing in defense against violent revolutions. At some point people will just revolt if they are starved or even lack upward mobility.

> Plus, it isn't like new tech kills jobs overnight; the writing is on the wall, and in the case of driverless cars and MOOCs, the transition will probably take at least a decade.

There are long ramp up times for retraining and educating people. And I don't think education is going to be enough.

I think the most radical and unpalatable truth is that a huge segment of humans are just not going to be intelligent enough to provide value in the coming robot and machine intelligence run economy.

Our brains and memories could be so much greater, and we should engineer ourselves with all deliberate speed.

Humans have to upgrade themselves before they are obsolete.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Deflation

Re: Why Professors at San Jose State Won't Use a Harvard Professor's MOOC

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MOOCs give me the ability to continue my education without doing into debt and delay having a family. Education should be free. San Jose State is probably a better school than where I got my degree, but I don't believe for a second that every class is taught by a caring well paid professor. They use TAs, Graduate Assistants, and over worked nontenured visiting professors just like any other cashed strapped University.

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My first thought was this was another case of the "old guard" being afraid of change, but I read their letter and I actually agree with some of their points. The obvious downside is the lack of interaction with the lecturing professor. This was another point I hadn't thought of: "The thought of the exact same social justice course being taught in various philosophy departments across the country is downright scary -…

The lack of interaction with a lecturing professor isn't a downside at all if you lacked the course at all before that.

Yes, a single social justice course would be bad. Consolidating the thousands of Algebra courses might be a good thing. It's really a strawman argument as MOOC's actually expand the number of courses available. You could choose between multiple versions by the same professor, potentially, not to mention other professors. Small schools with only one course offering of Obscure 101 would have alternate options. Everyone getting taught one thing is hardly a problem.

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post #6

Educators are going to need to deliver in-person value in excess of their cost. The writing is on the wall, there is no technological limitation preventing world-class instructors from teaching everyone. This will doubtlessly be the first of many attempts by the entrenched to prevent this superior education from becoming the norm, out of fear they can't actually deliver real value aside from presenting slides.

Really. They don't need to outperform exceptional lecturing professors. They need to beat out all those awful TA's where the professor isn't lecturing at all.

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post #41

The coming widespread adoption of MOOCs is another great example of what Jaron Lanier calls Mass Unemployment Events. Driverless cars will be another. Together we trudge on towards a future requiring a basic minimum income.

Technology has been replacing workers for a long time, but unemployment hasn't been steadily increasing over time. The inventor of the steam shovel was accused of causing permanent unemployment with the argument "each steam shovel will replace 100 men with shovels." He replied "or 1000 men with teaspoons." These "mass unemployment events" aren't anything new, and they historically haven't caused long-lasting unemploy…

> Technology has been replacing workers for a long time, but unemployment hasn't been steadily increasing over time.

I think this line of thinking is unfortunately sanguine in light of the Wests youth unemployment levels and the uncharted territory we are heading into with robotics.

The beauty of the basic minimum income is that it leads to a more efficient economy. 1000 men with teaspoons thinking is a great atrocity, I don't know what else besides a minimum income will stop politicians from pandering to their constituents in this way.

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