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China Cyberspies Outwit U.S. Stealing Military Secrets

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Re: China Cyberspies Outwit U.S. Stealing Military Secrets

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not cynical at all. You just demonstrated an example of a phenomenon that was well-documented in the 80s by people like Noam Chomsky. His book Manufacturing Consent talks in great detail about how mass media is used to manipulate public opinion.

Too Chomsky's lost all of his credibility by aligning himself with all of the New World Order crackpots out there.

How so? Be precise. Otherwise, how much credibility do you think a blank assertion like yours has?

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post #11

The only thing as breathtaking as the amount of information the Chinese military has stolen is how dysfunctional their military is. Here [1] is an excellent article about corruption in the Chinese military. The Chinese government is a bizarre mix of authoritarianism, greed, patronage and nationalism, and it has no clear structure. The military is no different. It doesn't matter how much technology they have; as long…

Such articles like the OP's seem to cater to alarmism and hyperbole as these kind of events occur all the time. The difference here is that the US gov is being quite unprofessional by resorting to publicizing these events. Also, it's quite trivial/foolish to care whether or not any country will overtake the US (or another country). The way I see it - decreasing the US' influence may actually be beneficial. Rather tha…

There has existed a multipolar world in the past, in Europe. That world was very frequently in a state of overt war, so it's not clear that that's a better state of affairs than an unchallenged dominant nation.

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Well ... if you don't want something hacked don't expose it to the internet. Is there a reason why corporations does not have inner network that is electrically disconnected from the internet where the sensitive data is stored and manipulated? Buying a second pc for every person is pocket change.

People want to work remotely. They want email on their iPhones/Androids/Blackberries. They want to e-mail people at other companies. Every once in a while you need a nontrivial amount of information to cross that airgap. Then you have Stuxnet-style attacks to worry about, too.

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Capitalism only works when there are security precautions to make sure that business between corporations and individuals is safe. This is true on the physical level, and sadly, will have to be true at the digital level as well. If companies are infamous for being unable to do long-term accounting, why the fuck are we expecting them to suddenly hold themselves accountable to other long-term risk?

I think it's stupid to cast this as the super whiz kid Chinese hackers and the poor SOB admins looking at the logs. There usually isn't even a proper budget for admins to be looking at logs.

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post #16

'“When it comes to cyber security QinetiQ couldn’t grab their ass with both hands, so it cracks me up that they won,” Bob Slapnik, vice president at HBGary' I love the smell of irony in the morning.

The HBGray fiasco really clearly delineated that there were two HBGray companies.

Yes, one was a moron. And the other was a moron for employing that moron :)

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I find it surprising that it would seem that the only country on the face of this planet hacking foreign countries and business are Chinese. I'm so pleased that no one in the US, UK, Israel, Russia, South Africa, Pakistan, India, Japan, Canada, etc would clearly never dream of such things. On top of that, I cant even begin to imagine why countries other than the US would seek intelligence to help them in defence.

Good job that no one is using computer or the internet to launch attacks on research and production facilities in foreign countries.....stuxnet.......oh.

This might be new to some, but it it turns out countries spy and thieve off each other. But all we seem to see is lots of articles about the evil red commie Chinese, who we all happily do business with, including allowing to own our debt, hack the US. Strange that.

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This just makes my brain hurt. "Cyber pillage" of the nation's "most closely guarded secrets" - so secret they were exposed on the Internet without, apparently, keeping up the security updates?

I think maybe the fault lies not with the Chinese superhackers, but with your definition of "closely guarded."

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post #26

I find it surprising that it would seem that the only country on the face of this planet hacking foreign countries and business are Chinese. I'm so pleased that no one in the US, UK, Israel, Russia, South Africa, Pakistan, India, Japan, Canada, etc would clearly never dream of such things. On top of that, I cant even begin to imagine why countries other than the US would seek intelligence to help them in defence. Goo…

For the record, the Chinese don't actually own that large a portion of the US national debt, which is almost entirely held by American organizations. Propping up our currency, now, that's a looming problem - but one that will hurt China a lot more than it'll hurt us when it hits the fan.

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#29
post #23

Well ... if you don't want something hacked don't expose it to the internet. Is there a reason why corporations does not have inner network that is electrically disconnected from the internet where the sensitive data is stored and manipulated? Buying a second pc for every person is pocket change.

People want to work remotely. They want email on their iPhones/Androids/Blackberries. They want to e-mail people at other companies. Every once in a while you need a nontrivial amount of information to cross that airgap. Then you have Stuxnet-style attacks to worry about, too.

Maybe if they want to work remotely, they're just going to have to suck it up and admit that you can't do that with sensitive information. There have in fact been times when military secrets were considered more valuable than people's lifestyle or convenience.

I'm thinking that if these secrets are not more valuable than the lifestyle and convenience of military consultants, then they're not actually all that live-or-die, are they? Instead, they're used as fodder for alarmism.

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I grow weary of reading these "hacking," "cyberspy," etc articles. They always read like a plot of a bad action movie (Hackers, Swordfish, etc) rather than what people who actually work in the sector (IT, Security, even programming) have to deal with day to day.

Just once, I'd love to read an article that talks in specifics, like how they got in (e.g. via exploit XYZ), how they spread (e.g. via hole in network policy XYZ), and what was done about it.

Also, if this super-top-secret information is so vital to the US's national security then why was it in the hands of a private company? I might be misunderstanding something here, but it seems less like information vital to national security and more like information vital to that company's future success (i.e. industrial espionage).

I cannot help but wonder if someone at this company (e.g. former CIA director) made a few phone calls and turned an industrial espionage incident into a national security incident in order to cover their arses.

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