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Adobe wants Ninite to stop rolling out crapware-free Flash

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Re: Adobe wants Ninite to stop rolling out crapware-free Flash

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Just use Chrome... Boom, Adobe is no longer your problem.

Get Ebola...Boom, AIDS is no longer your (worst) problem. Being forced to use a specific browser hardly means "it's no longer your problem".

Firefox also has a built in pdf viewer now too.

Re: Adobe wants Ninite to stop rolling out crapware-free Flash

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That's right, we did no redistribution or modification of their software. Ninite just automates things you would do. But, publishers can license their software under whatever terms they want. They could forbid this sort of automation in the license, or even forbid Ninite specifically by name. As far as we can tell there's no right to automate your own machine that prohibitions like that would be violating. I think th…

> publishers can license their software under whatever terms they want. They could forbid this sort of automation in the license, or even forbid Ninite specifically by name. As far as we can tell there's no right to automate your own machine that prohibitions like that would be violating. You're referring to the EULA, right? Is that enforceable in court? I've heard mixed opinions in the past on this topic from legal…

The usual issues in EULAs are either public policy concerns with particular terms, or consent issues.

I don't think either would come into play here.

Re: Adobe wants Ninite to stop rolling out crapware-free Flash

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If your users get used to clicking "yeah, whatever" on any and all software update pop-ups, this will almost certainly become an attack vector. Adobe Reader, Flash and Oracle's Java each have their own nuisance updaters that are constantly pestering you for attention. That software-updates-as-a-service is now a thing is really a sad state of affairs, but if Ninite can make a go of it, right on.

Adobe Flash updates are already an attack vector for some malware. My wife was presented with a "FlashPlus" installer to "update to the latest version of Flash" that looked exactly like Adobe's with the exception of the name. I'm still not sure what good fortune intervened to show me that particular installer before she hit "install".

Before we talk about your fortune, how many phony installers did you miss?

Re: Adobe wants Ninite to stop rolling out crapware-free Flash

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Ninite is fantastic. There simply should not be any naysayers - the naysayers cannot provide the experience Ninite provides. Ninite's ability to group many products into a singular downloadable installer is heaven. Keep up the awesome work.

Not being able to choose where things get installed killed Ninite for me. Their reasoning is "where an app is installed is an implementation detail that users shouldn't worry about." My SSD can only hold so much, and I don't see the benefit of having a browser or file sharing app on an SSD. That seems like a detail I should care about.

I usually install to the default location.. shutdown the app if running, move the directory, and symlink/mklink the default location to the new location.

This is especially helpful for games/apps you are actively using (on the SSD) but when you're done, or not playing as much, it's still available, just not as fast.

Re: Adobe wants Ninite to stop rolling out crapware-free Flash

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"Works quite well" apparently means "pops up all the time about yet another national security threatening flaw that needs to be patched urgently" and "crashes frequently for no apparent reason when trying to perform said updates." I guess that's marketing for you.

Also left unexplained is why Adobe needs to constantly update Reader. The PDF spec has not changed in forever. Why should this software need updating if there are no changes in functionality or spec compliance?

http://www.reddit.com/r/geek/comments/ddh5p/the_iso_pdf_stan...

Re: Adobe wants Ninite to stop rolling out crapware-free Flash

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As a sys admin in a school, Ninite is awesome. I really don't want installers and updaters popping up in front of small children and (often, technically illiterate) staff, and Ninite facilitates this. At the same time, it makes it easy for me to update software at a time to suit me - usually the holidays. The fact it denies Adobe the chance to trick me (or my users) into installing additional, unwanted software is a…

(School Sys admin here too)... We don't use Ninite, but at my old job I looked at the implementation and liked the fact that you can have a local-central repository (This saves bandwidth and keeps things in our control).

It depends on the number of users, but I found it was very affordable for my network. I think it's less than $200 for the year. Beats using GPOs via Active Directory, visiting each machine in turn, or relying on users to do it (which is largely impossible anyway). The central repository is handy, but the software expires fairly quickly in some cases so it's most useful when I'm updating many PCs at once. If you can persuade your finance dept to fork out some money, I would recommend it.

Re: Adobe wants Ninite to stop rolling out crapware-free Flash

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This article is a bit... lacking. First off, the Flash updater on Windows works quite well on modern Windows systems. Second off, Ninite isn't just some good Samaritan, they're a for-profit company. Third, and related to the second, Ninite's updater costs $10 a year while Adobe Flash's built-in updater is free. They also have a Ninite Pro version that supports remote updates and installs and costs $240 to $2,220 per…

Perhaps you should have disclosed your own interests before criticizing Ninite....

Do you see any conflict of interest there? Where?

Re: Adobe wants Ninite to stop rolling out crapware-free Flash

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post #107
post #85

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Perhaps you should have disclosed your own interests before criticizing Ninite....

Do you see any conflict of interest there? Where?

How can you not see a potential conflict of interest here? The OP is the founder of a website which encourages you to download various software from their site.

Ninite could potentially allow users to bypass the OP's site, which could clearly cause the OP some irritation.

Re: Adobe wants Ninite to stop rolling out crapware-free Flash

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If your users get used to clicking "yeah, whatever" on any and all software update pop-ups, this will almost certainly become an attack vector. Adobe Reader, Flash and Oracle's Java each have their own nuisance updaters that are constantly pestering you for attention. That software-updates-as-a-service is now a thing is really a sad state of affairs, but if Ninite can make a go of it, right on.

Adobe Flash updates are already an attack vector for some malware. My wife was presented with a "FlashPlus" installer to "update to the latest version of Flash" that looked exactly like Adobe's with the exception of the name. I'm still not sure what good fortune intervened to show me that particular installer before she hit "install".

I wonder why the creators of such an installer even bothered changing the name? Virus/malware authors shouldn't care about the possibility of trademark violations; They usually take care to ensure the software can't be traced back to their identities regardless.
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