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Google+ Is Outpacing Twitter

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Re: Google+ Is Outpacing Twitter

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post #33

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And Twitter's numbers are extraordinarily misleading, because so many of their accounts are fake, and so many people just sign up but never really use the service.

The numbers you see externally are the same as the ones used internally to reason about growth, and a great deal of care has been taken to keep them accurate. Fake accounts are culled, and inactives or likely spammers aren't counted in the numbers.

Fake accounts are culled? Apparently not very well.

To take one simple example, half of Bieber's followers are fake. I'd be willing to bet that between 1/3 and 1/2 of all followers on public accounts are fake.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/22104058

Then on top of this, I'd like to see how many Twitter users post a few Tweets and then give up. It's not hard to calculate that data just by sampling a large number of users from the API. I'd argue it's an extreme portion of the supposedly active user base.

Mostly Twitter is shallow (as in limited use and interaction) consumption platform, with relatively few highly active producers.

Re: Google+ Is Outpacing Twitter

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post #19

Well, i hope so. I still don't get the value of twitter, it always seemed to me as overrated. Why 140 characters? External services for photo upload? I still don't get it.. How is [1] better then [2]?! [1] http://www.imagebanana.com/view/okt9mdpq/obamatwitter.png [2] http://www.imagebanana.com/view/ma3vuvby/obamagooglep.png I hope i don't start a religious war now, just saying although i have a twitter account i neve…

> I still don't get the value of twitter

"Talk directly to semi-famous people" is one of the chief value propositions.

Suppose you are a fan of some public figure - say, an actor or a politician who has more than thousands of fan - snd you want to ask that person a question or give them a compliment.

If they're on twitter, there is a pretty good chance you could get through and have that person actually read what you have to say. If you're sufficiently witty and relevant it might even turn into a conversation. There is no other medium for which your chance of getting through is that large, and part of the reason why this is true is due to that 140-character limit.

Consider the unread messages in your email inbox. Any single email you open might turn out to be a quick topical one-liner, carefully edited to make a single point clearly and say nothing extraneous...but it's much more likely to be rambling and poorly edited. In the worst case, it could take an hour to read and understand a single email. So sorting through email (or any other non-bounded message stream) is daunting and best delegated to somebody else if you get too much of it.

The fact that tweets have to be so short forces tweeters to think carefully about what they want to say and to make their point quickly. If the message is a compliment or comment, it has to be an efficient one. If it's a question, it's an efficient question - you don't have to skim past a page of introductions and compliments and caveats to find it. And if the text is ugly or pointless or hateful, you can "block" the sender after you see a mere 140 characters of what he has to say.

So that's one use case - talking directly to people who otherwise would be protected by a circle of PR flacks. You can currently do that more effectively on twitter than most other services.

Even when talking to non-famous people, the 140-character limit imposes discipline that can make conversations more fun and efficient, but it only makes sense if some critical mass of the sort of people you like to talk to and hear from are already on the service, so it might not make sense for you yet. That's essentially a bootstrapping problem.

Re: Google+ Is Outpacing Twitter

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post #20

I know the numbers are inflated due to tie-in with other Google services, but I'm very optimistic about Google+ long term. I got my invite in the first wave and pretty much immediately ditched the service. I just didn't see why I'd use it. I am a light Facebook user and I don't Tweet. Recently I decided to give G+ another try and I love what I am seeing. First of all, the site is a pleasure to use and the mobile app…

Google+ will be a fine replacement for Facebook when everybody gets the signal that FB has entered it's Newscorp-era Myspace phase. But there's another possibility: Facebook may end up leaving such a bad taste in people's mouths that it will be replaced by nothing . Both G+ and FB may fade away as the world collectively says "fuck this". You might say I'm a dreamer.

It makes sense that G+ could outlive Facebook if only because it's so tightly integrated with a suite of products that are so widely used, where Facebook's primary external integration is through apps that aren't essential to the day-in-day out...at least not yet.

I think Facebook has become to tightly woven into peoples' lives, though, that it's going to live on for quite some time. It all really depends on where the kids decide to go, methinks..

Re: Google+ Is Outpacing Twitter

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The numbers you see externally are the same as the ones used internally to reason about growth, and a great deal of care has been taken to keep them accurate. Fake accounts are culled, and inactives or likely spammers aren't counted in the numbers.

Fake accounts are culled? Apparently not very well. To take one simple example, half of Bieber's followers are fake. I'd be willing to bet that between 1/3 and 1/2 of all followers on public accounts are fake. http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/22104058 Then on top of this, I'd like to see how many Twitter users post a few Tweets and then give up. It's not hard to calculate that data just by sampling a large number of use…

I think he meant that fake accounts were culled from the count, not in general.

Re: Google+ Is Outpacing Twitter

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If I was to badmouth Google after reading the article, and especially their tactic of tying-in the experience, and using youtube and google ranking to induce people to open and use a google plus account, I'd say they are leveraging their existing monopolies to acquire another monopoly in a separated industry.

Naysayers would say that's an emotional response, but I would then let monopoly be defined by known indexes such as the HI and leave the conclusion to arithmetic instead of emotions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herfindahl_index

I haven't done the calculation, but we may find interesting results - and I say that while I think google + is being turned into a nice product, with useless cruft being removed little by little, and some polish added. IMHO only the legality of their tactic is troubling - the product is becoming good.

But would it have if they hadn't played dirty?

I guess it's legal if you are not getting caught.

Re: Google+ Is Outpacing Twitter

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If google+ was doing so well, Google Corp wouldn't be scared shitless to talk about engagement.

Google+ is honestly more of a rebranding of google than a new service. It is Google relabeling parts of popular products like Gmail and calling it Google+.

Re: Google+ Is Outpacing Twitter

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fake accounts are culled? Apparently not very well. To take one simple example, half of Bieber's followers are fake. I'd be willing to bet that between 1/3 and 1/2 of all followers on public accounts are fake. http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/22104058 Then on top of this, I'd like to see how many Twitter users post a few Tweets and then give up. It's not hard to calculate that data just by sampling a large number of use…

I think he meant that fake accounts were culled from the count, not in general.

Semi-correct. Falsely identifying real users as spammers when computing metrics isn't a big deal, but it is a big deal if you are suspending accounts. Twitter does remove spammy accounts, but it's a slippery slope and I'm glad they remain cautious when it comes to suspending users.

Re: Google+ Is Outpacing Twitter

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And Twitter's numbers are extraordinarily misleading, because so many of their accounts are fake, and so many people just sign up but never really use the service.

The numbers you see externally are the same as the ones used internally to reason about growth, and a great deal of care has been taken to keep them accurate. Fake accounts are culled, and inactives or likely spammers aren't counted in the numbers.

By the way, here's a possible reason why you may have inactive accounts that you should be able to easily solve.

I signed up for Twitter around January and frankly speaking, couldn't find my way around. I've heard people speak of retweets, DMs, hash tags and variety of other terminology and didn't seem to find an explanation of what they all meant or did after I signed up. In fact, I really didn't know what to do and just logged off and didn't bother with Twitter again until a couple of months later when I thought of trying to find and meet up with other coders in my city and thought perhaps Twitter might be a way useful way to accomplish that task.

I found if I search for #[MyCity], there were a bunch of tweets with #[MyCity] so made a tweet along the lines of "Any coders in #[MyCity]? Let's meet."

8 hours later, I search #[MyCity] and my tweet wasn't even in the list. I asked on /r/Twitter and was told tweets from new accounts don't make it in the search results as to suppress spam. As a guy who doesn't know anyone on Twitter and who nobody knows on Twitter I feel like the service simply is unusable. The impression I'm left with is that Twitter is only useful for "brands". As a regular schmo who isn't a "brand", I don't see the point of using Twitter and thus my account is inactive.

Re: Google+ Is Outpacing Twitter

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think he meant that fake accounts were culled from the count, not in general.

Semi-correct. Falsely identifying real users as spammers when computing metrics isn't a big deal, but it is a big deal if you are suspending accounts. Twitter does remove spammy accounts, but it's a slippery slope and I'm glad they remain cautious when it comes to suspending users.

Makes sense. Thanks for the correction!

Re: Google+ Is Outpacing Twitter

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Sounds to me like it's a prime candidate for some of Google's famed "spring cleaning" in the coming years...

That would be fine, and Google should still be lauded. Hangout started a whole cottage industry, and also nudged existing video chat vendors to adopt Hangout like functionality. If Google shut down Hangout, I would miss how reliable and high-quality it is compared to Skype, but there are a couple good alternatives now.

Can you link to a few that you've found useful?
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