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Re: Google's self-driving car gathers almost 1 GB/sec

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Post by piyush_soni »

conductor wrote: post #51
shreyansj wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We should not allow a computer to do things that can kill people Should we not allow computers (auto-pilot) to fly airplanes?

Though your example is not the best (pilots are still there and can disable the auto-pilot and drive in the manual mode) I will correct myself: I think we should now allow computers, which can be easily accessed and potentially altered/hacked, to do things that can kill people.

The thing is, computers as of today are dangerous enough already, and depending on which ones you hack can cause enough destruction as of today. So of course, security is important for all of them and I'm sure Google's self-driving car will do something to be as secure as they can.

Re: Google's self-driving car gathers almost 1 GB/sec

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Post by grinich »

Game_Ender wrote: post #46
VikingCoder wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't it also know about Google Maps data? Meaning, it can look at a lot more data than just its raw sensors, every second. Also, why do you assume the front-facing camera is the only one?

As far as I know the "google maps" data is used for things like road locations, stop signs, and other traffic marker information. Their primary mapping data source is based on Velodyne data itself. You also have to think storage needs, would it really have 4-6TB storage array for just a few hour drive? I saw the tech lead of the project talk about 1.5 years ago. He said the primary sensor was the Velodyne, followed b…

Just because they're capturing it doesn't mean they're processing all of it immediately. This kind of data is great to keep around for simulations when you return home. Having ~10TB onboard storage isn't crazy.

Re: Google's self-driving car gathers almost 1 GB/sec

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Post by grinich »

salman89 wrote: post #11

What are things city planners can do from an infrastructure perspective so that we can drop the amount of data that needs to analyzed in real time? For example, can we use special paint for road lines in order to make the cost of detection of road lanes lower?

Move car parking between bike lanes and the street, as they do in Amsterdam.

Re: Google's self-driving car gathers almost 1 GB/sec

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Post by freebullets »

conductor wrote: post #51
shreyansj wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We should not allow a computer to do things that can kill people Should we not allow computers (auto-pilot) to fly airplanes?

Though your example is not the best (pilots are still there and can disable the auto-pilot and drive in the manual mode) I will correct myself: I think we should now allow computers, which can be easily accessed and potentially altered/hacked, to do things that can kill people.

>pilots are still there and can disable the auto-pilot

If the computer decides to allow the pilot to do that.

Re: Google's self-driving car gathers almost 1 GB/sec

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Post by dzhiurgis »

salman89 wrote: post #11

What are things city planners can do from an infrastructure perspective so that we can drop the amount of data that needs to analyzed in real time? For example, can we use special paint for road lines in order to make the cost of detection of road lanes lower?

Drop billions of RFID tags into asphalt, make a millimetre-accurate real world map and rent the data to Google. Or do nothing and let Google figure it out.

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Post by robotresearcher »

jkldotio wrote: post #22
salman89 wrote: post #11

What are things city planners can do from an infrastructure perspective so that we can drop the amount of data that needs to analyzed in real time? For example, can we use special paint for road lines in order to make the cost of detection of road lanes lower?

I can't imagine many too many cases where they'd be useful in everyday situations because if the car can't handle everyday situations then it's not going to be a good car and is going to sink to the "we're concerned for safety" lobbying that rivals will engage in to ban it off the road until they've caught up. Perhaps QR-code machine readable parking with the available hours, that'd be useful even without self-drivin…

The car knows where it is to within a few cm. No need for anything except a database of parking information. Don't clutter up the environment with QR codes that humans can't read.

Re: Google's self-driving car gathers almost 1 GB/sec

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Post by queensnake »

salman89 wrote: post #11

What are things city planners can do from an infrastructure perspective so that we can drop the amount of data that needs to analyzed in real time? For example, can we use special paint for road lines in order to make the cost of detection of road lanes lower?

No! Do it like humans do it - use deep learning to let it grok its environment better with less / different sensor data. Also, make it pay attention to history (it may already, I don't know) and give it something like object permanence.

Re: Google's self-driving car gathers almost 1 GB/sec

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Post by kyrra »

iharris wrote: post #3

There's a great presentation about Google's self-driving car here (check the second half for video of the real-time telemetry that it gathers): http://youtu.be/YXylqtEQ0tk One of the things that I found really interesting is how the car inches forward at a stop sign in order to show the "driver's" intent to other drivers. Lots of actions that seem to be second-nature for human drivers have to be carefully emulated he…

Thanks you for the link. It looks like the picture here is almost the same as what is shown in that video (from 1.5 years ago).

Re: Google's self-driving car gathers almost 1 GB/sec

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Post by Maxious »

notatoad wrote: post #15
salman89 wrote: post #11

What are things city planners can do from an infrastructure perspective so that we can drop the amount of data that needs to analyzed in real time? For example, can we use special paint for road lines in order to make the cost of detection of road lanes lower?

keeping up with maintenance is probably the most important thing towards making either self-driving or human driven cars safe. faded, worn, or poorly-visible road markings and signage has got to be a huge challenge. Signage and marking is already very well standardized and optimized for low ambiguity. making anything special is probably just going to make things more difficult - the cars have to be able to drive anyw…

Some people are using LiDAR/computer vision to decide where maintenance is needed http://www.nicta.com.au/media/previous_releases3/2012_media_...

Re: Google's self-driving car gathers almost 1 GB/sec

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Post by nwh »

conductor wrote: post #51
shreyansj wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We should not allow a computer to do things that can kill people Should we not allow computers (auto-pilot) to fly airplanes?

Though your example is not the best (pilots are still there and can disable the auto-pilot and drive in the manual mode) I will correct myself: I think we should now allow computers, which can be easily accessed and potentially altered/hacked, to do things that can kill people.

Most Boeing 747 craft run a very old, unpatched version of Solaris. Someone with user access could almost certainly crash a plane using that. The same holds true for a lot of consumer goods running embedded linux. Even my damn TV has vulnerabilities.
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