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Re: Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5

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You've got to appreciate the irony of microsoft.com being among the worst of the ten (if not the very worst) to render.

And yet you still have a "command prompt" so that you can run your DOS programs as well as "compatibility mode" so that older applications can run on the post-XP systems.

No. MS-DOS programs won't run on Windows. CMD isn't DOS.

You need something like FreeDOS or DOSbox to run the old DOS programs these days.

Re: Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5

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GUI-based system still needs command shell or it will lose a lot of flexibility arising from being able to evaluate small bits of code and therefore code incrementally. "Immediate mode" counts.

Command shell, GUI, it's all software. If you have an x86 machine without an operating system on it, is it a computer? Is an iOS device not a computer because it doesn't have a CLI? What about a hypothetical computer that uses your brain as input - would that have a CLI? CLI/GUI/etc is irrelevant to the definition of computer. Unless you're just being a pedantic troll, in which case kudos :)

"If you have an x86 machine without an operating system on it, is it a computer" No, it's a pile of iron and silicon.

"Is an iOS device not a computer because it doesn't have a CLI?" Not after you buy it, you have to turn it into a computer.

"What about a hypothetical computer that uses your brain as input - would that have a CLI?" It sure will, how else will you use it?

It's not pedantism. Pedantism is about meaning of words. My rant is about meaning of concepts. If you hit nails with your microscope, it's not a microscope for you but rather a lame hammer.

Re: Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5

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I was surprised at the size of the screenshots - 750x340. Not 800x600, not even 854x480, but 22:10. Given that layouts tend to break vertically, I was expecting the shots to be at least to the fold.

Re: Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5

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The sad thing is that I was actually needing to use IE5 in February. A Windows 2000 Server machine in India which had been unused for a few years but was being pressed back into service. And Windows Update seemed to need IE6 to be able to install IE6. With a separately-sourced IE6 installer, I did finally get it up to IE6, but I couldn't manage to get it up to IE6 SP1 even then. IE5 was certainly rather painful to us…

Why did anyone bother to press that ancient machine back into service? And why did they not just wipe the hard disk and put up a new copy of the OS on it, especially if there's malware on it?

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Similarly interesting would be the rendering of these sites with IE5’s competitors, i.e. the major browsers available in 1999. This would have been Netscape 4.5 and some version of AOL, presumably.

This would be fun, I'll try to get Netscape Navigator 4.5 and AOL Explorer 1.? running...

Didn't AOL switch to hosting an IE object around IE4 time?

Re: Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5

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Not really. Name me a major site that doesn't work at all without JS.

Dropbox - https://www.dropbox.com/ In Firefox 20.0.1, with Javascript disabled, after the login the home listing has a "The Dropbox website require JavaScript" text. [EDIT: Clickable, more info]

Well, Dropbox is an interesting example. If you have no JS, you probably can't download much either.

Re: Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5

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Look way more decent than I thought, google is apparently the only one really supporting ie5 as their interface seems absolutely unchanged. Also noticed the irony of microsoft.com being the worst, maybe it shows that the company wants to move forward, maybe it's just lazyness/rationalisation. Also it's kind of abvious that amazon works well, they don't want to lose potentials customers (maybe same for google)

Doesn't shock me. They're one of the biggest proponents of trying to get people to update their browsers. They created http://www.ie6countdown.com/ after all. It's also probably near impossible to get their current site working on IE5, and to make a completely separate site just for them (and it's a really really small percentage of worldwide users) would be highly cost prohibitive.

> They're one of the biggest proponents of trying to get people to update their browsers.

Oh, so that's why they wanted my grandma to buy a new version of Windows (and a new computer to meet the system requirements) just to update Internet Explorer.

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I didn't know bash or zsh had a built-in package manager!

I didn't know "command line terminal" equals "bash or zsh"! Of course I'm talking ecosystem here.

You may be moving your goal posts here a bit.
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