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Human rights record of the United States in 2012 (Chinese viewpoint)

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Re: Human rights record of the United States in 2012 (Chinese viewpoint)

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This isn't a real Chinese viewpoint, this is propaganda issued by state. I know many Chinese who are throughly disgusted by the official media.

True. Unfortunately there is a length limit on submission titles, and it was the best I managed within the constraints. I don't believe it makes it a less interesting read from a Western viewpoint, though.

Re: Human rights record of the United States in 2012 (Chinese viewpoint)

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The Chinese government post one of these every year to "counter" the one that US-based human rights watch do every year. They definitely know that they are in no position to criticize. However there needs to be some context as to why they are publishing this.

Re: Human rights record of the United States in 2012 (Chinese viewpoint)

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It's interesting to see the availability of firearms to citizens presented as a violation of human rights. >Firearms-related crimes posed serious threat to the lives and personal security of citizens in the U.S. Some shootings left astonishing casualties, such as the school shooting in Oakland, the Century 16 theater shooting in Colorado and the school shooting in Connecticut. Also, please be aware that this is a tra…

> It's interesting to see the availability of firearms to citizens presented as a violation of human rights. The U.S. is an outlier among liberal democracies in its constitutional insistence that access to firearms is a human right. It's also, significantly, an outlier in its rate of firearm-related deaths, with a rate of over 10 per 100,000, similar to Panama and the Philippines and three times higher than the next…

It's also, significantly, an outlier in its rate of firearm-related deaths,

The US is also an outlier in it's rate of bludgeoning and stabbing, at 1.7/100,000. By contrast, the murder rate (all weapons) in western europe is 1.0/100,000, southern europe is 1.4/100,000, and northern europe is 1.5/100,000.

I suppose bill of rights causes stabbings and beatings also?

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intention...

Re: Human rights record of the United States in 2012 (Chinese viewpoint)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Chinese do human rights violations, this doesnt mean USA is not doing it. If we are talking about violations dome by americans, lets stick to that. I am sure much positive can come from that discussion than finding faults with the messenger.

The US deserves criticism. Hefty doses of it. Particularly because our government is betraying the very principles the country is supposed to represent. But faults? Mao killed tens of millions through forced famine alone, and he's practically worshiped as a god in China. There are no countries without bad marks on their records, but on the scale of recent bad marks, it's pretty twisted for China to criticize anybody.

True, We (also others) used to look towards US for liberty, equality and democracy. Now there is no reason to believe that. Us now presents itself what not to do when you get developed.

Re: Human rights record of the United States in 2012 (Chinese viewpoint)

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"Americans are the most heavily armed people in the world per capita. According to a CNN report on July 23, 2012, there were an estimated 270 million guns in the hands of civilians in the U.S. and more than 100,000 people were shot by guns each year. In 2010, there were more than 30,000 deaths caused by firearms."

There are roughly 11,000 gun based murders each year in the US. The US doesn't first have a gun violence problem, it has a black poverty problem mixed with horrible drug laws that drive it all.

The rate of gun homicide for blacks is 15/100k. For Asians it's 1/100k, for whites it's 2/100k. It's almost a 700% greater likelihood that you're going to be murdered by gun if you're black than white. If you fix the black poverty problem, and fix the drug laws, the rate of gun homicides would plunge off a cliff.

And besides, Switzerland is as heavily armed per capita as the US is, and they do not have a rampant gun homicide problem. The reason the US does, is explained by poverty and drug laws.

Also worth noting: the US homicide rate is roughly the lowest it has been in 50 to 60 years. If it continues to fall as it has been, it'll be back to levels not seen since the 19th century. Not to beat a dead horse, but fix the drug laws and America would be exceptionally low on the homicide per capita scale.

http://extranosalley.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/1homicid...

Re: Human rights record of the United States in 2012 (Chinese viewpoint)

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It's interesting to see the availability of firearms to citizens presented as a violation of human rights. >Firearms-related crimes posed serious threat to the lives and personal security of citizens in the U.S. Some shootings left astonishing casualties, such as the school shooting in Oakland, the Century 16 theater shooting in Colorado and the school shooting in Connecticut. Also, please be aware that this is a tra…

I suppose you can consider that the high number of deaths due to firearms in the US goes against the right to "life[1], liberty and security of person". From a European point of view, the US right to carry/own a weapon is so used and out of control that it affects this basic right to life. [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_life

If you deprive someone of their life with your weapon, that's a crime called murder. There is no right in the US to actually shoot anyone; you do realize that?

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This is utter balderdash. A nation that executes thousands of its citizens yearly, while also arranging sham trials and allowing affluent perpetrators to have body doubles serve lengthy prison sentences, should be the last to point fingers at any judiciary, elsewhere. At least, Middle Eastern states follow Shariah, a religious code (however harsh or barbaric) that dictates the severity of the punishment. These Chines…

I am not in the slightest defending China's human rights record. But hopefully you realise that none of the above refutes the article in the slightest. You have not addressed a single point in it.

Hogwash.

On a scale of measurement of worthiness of a certain quality - any quality - if you fare so many orders in the negative that you barely register on the scale at all, it is generally held that you nary have a claim to call into question the measure of others.

You are not in that league.

You do not get to even raise your hand.

That's the privilege of similarly positioned peers who have earned the right to dispute or criticize owing to their own stellar record in that virtue.

Make sense?

Re: Human rights record of the United States in 2012 (Chinese viewpoint)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's interesting to see the availability of firearms to citizens presented as a violation of human rights. The U.S. is an outlier among liberal democracies in its constitutional insistence that access to firearms is a human right. It's also, significantly, an outlier in its rate of firearm-related deaths, with a rate of over 10 per 100,000, similar to Panama and the Philippines and three times higher than the next…

It's also, significantly, an outlier in its rate of firearm-related deaths, The US is also an outlier in it's rate of bludgeoning and stabbing, at 1.7/100,000. By contrast, the murder rate (all weapons) in western europe is 1.0/100,000, southern europe is 1.4/100,000, and northern europe is 1.5/100,000. I suppose bill of rights causes stabbings and beatings also? http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm https://e…

The US rate of violent crime is half that of Canada, and 75% lower than Britain. It's lower than France, Finland, Sweden, the Netherlands, Belgium, and so on.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-...

Re: Human rights record of the United States in 2012 (Chinese viewpoint)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's interesting to see the availability of firearms to citizens presented as a violation of human rights. The U.S. is an outlier among liberal democracies in its constitutional insistence that access to firearms is a human right. It's also, significantly, an outlier in its rate of firearm-related deaths, with a rate of over 10 per 100,000, similar to Panama and the Philippines and three times higher than the next…

It's also, significantly, an outlier in its rate of firearm-related deaths, The US is also an outlier in it's rate of bludgeoning and stabbing, at 1.7/100,000. By contrast, the murder rate (all weapons) in western europe is 1.0/100,000, southern europe is 1.4/100,000, and northern europe is 1.5/100,000. I suppose bill of rights causes stabbings and beatings also? http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm https://e…

Actually your data further validate the other user's point, since in the ratios you mention are much less significant in terms of deviation that the ones related to firearms deaths.

I wouldn't call the US an "outlier" for the data you mention.

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