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Human rights record of the United States in 2012 (Chinese viewpoint)

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Re: Human rights record of the United States in 2012 (Chinese viewpoint)

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Post by brazzy »

dcc1 wrote: post #12
The_Sponge wrote: post #4

It's interesting to see the availability of firearms to citizens presented as a violation of human rights. >Firearms-related crimes posed serious threat to the lives and personal security of citizens in the U.S. Some shootings left astonishing casualties, such as the school shooting in Oakland, the Century 16 theater shooting in Colorado and the school shooting in Connecticut. Also, please be aware that this is a tra…

Imagine trying to keep 1.2 billion people under a what amounts to a fascist/statist control if they were are as heavily armed as USasians

Nothing easier than that. Guns were very widely available in Germany after World War 1. http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcnazimyth.html

Please realize that gun ownership as a constitutional right is an almost exclusively American idea and considered absolutely ludicrous by almost everyone else.

Re: Human rights record of the United States in 2012 (Chinese viewpoint)

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Post by rmc »

Trezoid wrote: post #18

It's always interesting reading reports on the US through a Chinese media perspective. Stories go round relatively regularly using very carefully selected snippets of news to paint a particularly negative portrait that isn't factually wrong, but so narrowly focused that it misses the overall picture (deliberately) On the parts really stabbing into US communications monitoring, I suspect the reasoning is so the Chines…

Stories go round relatively regularly using very carefully selected snippets of news to paint a particularly negative portrait that isn't factually wrong, but so narrowly focused that it misses the overall picture (deliberately)

Well.... everyone does that.... it's called marketing/progaganda/etc.

Re: Human rights record of the United States in 2012 (Chinese viewpoint)

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Post by rmc »

dcc1 wrote: post #12
The_Sponge wrote: post #4

It's interesting to see the availability of firearms to citizens presented as a violation of human rights. >Firearms-related crimes posed serious threat to the lives and personal security of citizens in the U.S. Some shootings left astonishing casualties, such as the school shooting in Oakland, the Century 16 theater shooting in Colorado and the school shooting in Connecticut. Also, please be aware that this is a tra…

Imagine trying to keep 1.2 billion people under a what amounts to a fascist/statist control if they were are as heavily armed as USasians

It's probably be as easy as keeping all the black people as slaves or second class citizens.

Re: Human rights record of the United States in 2012 (Chinese viewpoint)

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Post by crntaylor »

Trezoid wrote: post #18

It's always interesting reading reports on the US through a Chinese media perspective. Stories go round relatively regularly using very carefully selected snippets of news to paint a particularly negative portrait that isn't factually wrong, but so narrowly focused that it misses the overall picture (deliberately) On the parts really stabbing into US communications monitoring, I suspect the reasoning is so the Chines…

It's always interesting reading reports on China through a US media perspective. Stories go round relatively regularly using very carefully selected snippets of news to paint a particularly negative portrait that isn't factually wrong, but so narrowly focused that it misses the overall picture (deliberately)

On the parts really stabbing into Chinese communications monitoring, I suspect the reasoning is so the US government can say "Look, it's even worse in China!" to cover the extent of their own filters and monitoring (which most American people are only vaguely aware of. Most of them take what they're told by the US government as simple fact, and even when they can see the facts from a less biased perspective still refuse to accept it)

Re: Human rights record of the United States in 2012 (Chinese viewpoint)

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Post by Kurtz79 »

The_Sponge wrote: post #4

It's interesting to see the availability of firearms to citizens presented as a violation of human rights. >Firearms-related crimes posed serious threat to the lives and personal security of citizens in the U.S. Some shootings left astonishing casualties, such as the school shooting in Oakland, the Century 16 theater shooting in Colorado and the school shooting in Connecticut. Also, please be aware that this is a tra…

"It's interesting to see the availability of firearms to citizens presented as a violation of human rights."

It's a view a good majority of citizen in modern Democracies, excluding the US, would agree wholeheartedly with.

Although I would define it more as "government wilfully endangering the lives of its citizens" rather than "violation of human rights".

Re: Human rights record of the United States in 2012 (Chinese viewpoint)

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Post by bmmayer1 »

crntaylor wrote: post #24
Trezoid wrote: post #18

It's always interesting reading reports on the US through a Chinese media perspective. Stories go round relatively regularly using very carefully selected snippets of news to paint a particularly negative portrait that isn't factually wrong, but so narrowly focused that it misses the overall picture (deliberately) On the parts really stabbing into US communications monitoring, I suspect the reasoning is so the Chines…

It's always interesting reading reports on China through a US media perspective. Stories go round relatively regularly using very carefully selected snippets of news to paint a particularly negative portrait that isn't factually wrong, but so narrowly focused that it misses the overall picture (deliberately) On the parts really stabbing into Chinese communications monitoring, I suspect the reasoning is so the US gove…

Human rights are objectively better in the US than in China. Not perfect here either by any means, but the indicators are clearly, objectively better. Which is what every major human development index says worldwide, not just those peddled by our country. The UN HDI ranked the US as #3 and China as #101. It's not even a contest.

Re: Human rights record of the United States in 2012 (Chinese viewpoint)

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Post by Trezoid »

rmc wrote: post #22
Trezoid wrote: post #18

It's always interesting reading reports on the US through a Chinese media perspective. Stories go round relatively regularly using very carefully selected snippets of news to paint a particularly negative portrait that isn't factually wrong, but so narrowly focused that it misses the overall picture (deliberately) On the parts really stabbing into US communications monitoring, I suspect the reasoning is so the Chines…

Stories go round relatively regularly using very carefully selected snippets of news to paint a particularly negative portrait that isn't factually wrong, but so narrowly focused that it misses the overall picture (deliberately) Well.... everyone does that.... it's called marketing/progaganda/etc.

Oh, absolutely, but it's very strongly propaganda, across every state-owned media source (so, all of them) and in all educational material to the point it's accepted as the whole story surprisingly frequently (and not just about the US. Tibet gets the same level of spin but in reverse. Everything is sunshine and rainbows in the mountains, according the the Chinese media and education system)

Re: Human rights record of the United States in 2012 (Chinese viewpoint)

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Post by crntaylor »

bmmayer1 wrote: post #26
crntaylor wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's always interesting reading reports on China through a US media perspective. Stories go round relatively regularly using very carefully selected snippets of news to paint a particularly negative portrait that isn't factually wrong, but so narrowly focused that it misses the overall picture (deliberately) On the parts really stabbing into Chinese communications monitoring, I suspect the reasoning is so the US gove…

Human rights are objectively better in the US than in China. Not perfect here either by any means, but the indicators are clearly, objectively better. Which is what every major human development index says worldwide, not just those peddled by our country. The UN HDI ranked the US as #3 and China as #101. It's not even a contest.

I'm not really disputing that. I just thought it was interesting that the GP's comments didn't seem any less 'truthy' if you switched the roles of the US and China. Think of it as a fun exercise in examining unconscious bias, if you like!

Re: Human rights record of the United States in 2012 (Chinese viewpoint)

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Post by arethuza »

bmmayer1 wrote: post #26
crntaylor wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's always interesting reading reports on China through a US media perspective. Stories go round relatively regularly using very carefully selected snippets of news to paint a particularly negative portrait that isn't factually wrong, but so narrowly focused that it misses the overall picture (deliberately) On the parts really stabbing into Chinese communications monitoring, I suspect the reasoning is so the US gove…

Human rights are objectively better in the US than in China. Not perfect here either by any means, but the indicators are clearly, objectively better. Which is what every major human development index says worldwide, not just those peddled by our country. The UN HDI ranked the US as #3 and China as #101. It's not even a contest.

Does HDI measure human rights? It seems to based on combining life expectancy at birth, years of schooling and GNI per capita:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index

Re: Human rights record of the United States in 2012 (Chinese viewpoint)

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Post by spitx »

This is utter balderdash.

A nation that executes thousands of its citizens yearly, while also arranging sham trials and allowing affluent perpetrators to have body doubles serve lengthy prison sentences, should be the last to point fingers at any judiciary, elsewhere.

At least, Middle Eastern states follow Shariah, a religious code (however harsh or barbaric) that dictates the severity of the punishment.

These Chinese wastrels have no such consistency nor do they have the moral rectitude to hold every one, high-born or low-born, to the same rigor of enforcement.

Muslim theocracies often get a bad rap for their macabre laws and punishments.

The Chinese are the true compassion-less brutes. No country comes close to the way in which China "cleanses" its lower classes using a medieval "correctional" apparatus.

So take that state rag and shove it up Wen Jiabao's rear.

Source:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment#Global_distr...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19357107

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00pqhxk

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_China

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_van

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEd17taOrmA

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