I found this very strange The permitted characters and length for passwords are defined as a regular expression in Evernote’s API, but spaces are left out, Evernote says, because leading and trailing spaces presents a problem. “Software needs to precisely determine how to treat leading and trailing spaces,” Dave Engberg, Evernote’s CTO, told Ars. “Some UI frameworks and third-party applications would unreliably trim…
Additionally. "Adding support for spaces only in the middle of the password would make the regular expression defining them three times longer, Engberg said." So they admit they already have the regex definition that would allow this, but for some reason don't want to put it in production? How strange.
Why your password can’t have symbols—or be longer than 16 characters
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Re: Why your password can’t have symbols—or be longer than 16 characters
#62I found this very strange The permitted characters and length for passwords are defined as a regular expression in Evernote’s API, but spaces are left out, Evernote says, because leading and trailing spaces presents a problem. “Software needs to precisely determine how to treat leading and trailing spaces,” Dave Engberg, Evernote’s CTO, told Ars. “Some UI frameworks and third-party applications would unreliably trim…
Additionally. "Adding support for spaces only in the middle of the password would make the regular expression defining them three times longer, Engberg said." So they admit they already have the regex definition that would allow this, but for some reason don't want to put it in production? How strange.
Re: Why your password can’t have symbols—or be longer than 16 characters
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have a brokerage account with Schwab and I am using a 10 character password, so I can confirm your skepticism.
Try logging in with just the first 6 characters of your password and see if it's really looking at all 10 of them. Edit: Someone else commented saying it might actually be the first 8, so try that too if you want.
Re: Why your password can’t have symbols—or be longer than 16 characters
#64It's not that they don't care, they are managing support headaches, and balancing risk to reward. 6 Character AlphaNumeric for Schwab is because they use the same password for phone, and this is a throwback to a "Pin". They could at least be honest that this is why it is what it is. The Fobs they send that generate a random number to go with your login make this not a deal breaker for me. Microsoft is balancing suppo…
I disagree. There are many long passwords that are easier to remember than a short password. Just to make up an example, I might use "WakeGrindTampInfusePourSip" as a password--it's the sequence of actions that lead to my morning caffeine fix. Compare that to a password that must be between 6 and 12 characters, with one lowercase letter, one capital letter, one numeral, and no special characters. Nothing in my life maps readily onto that schema except for my AOL password from 1996, so I'm going to make something up on the spot, forget it immediately, and rely on the password reset functionality every time I want to log in.
Re: Why your password can’t have symbols—or be longer than 16 characters
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
> if users don't like entering certain characters on a mobile phone, they can pick a different password Fundamentally, I don't think it's unreasonable to try to protect users from themselves.
You do have a valid point. I used to have a password with a backtick (`) in it. That is a standard key on a QWERTY keyboard but seemingly untypeable on an iPhone. I didn't realize that until I actually tried to enter that password on my iPhone.
Re: Why your password can’t have symbols—or be longer than 16 characters
#66The brokerage and banking company Charles Schwab has strict length limits— passwords can be no longer than six characters. I'm a little dubious of this claim as I have several accounts (checking, savings and brokerage) with Charles Schwab and my password is longer than 6 characters. I'd be interested in knowing where they got this information.
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That's like saying to get someone to stop punching you, just punch yourself. DOSing yourself to stop a DOS :/
how so? cutting off an IP after many failed passwords is good security anyway. Only side affect may be if someone's machine is infected and taking part in the attack they get locked out while it goes on.
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That's like saying to get someone to stop punching you, just punch yourself. DOSing yourself to stop a DOS :/
Nope, what typically happens is the account gets locked out and requires a confirmation sent to the account's email address to unlock it.
Re: Why your password can’t have symbols—or be longer than 16 characters
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
You do have a valid point. I used to have a password with a backtick (`) in it. That is a standard key on a QWERTY keyboard but seemingly untypeable on an iPhone. I didn't realize that until I actually tried to enter that password on my iPhone.
Here's how to do it: Hold down the apostrophe key until a menu pops up showing similar characters, then choose the backtick.
Re: Why your password can’t have symbols—or be longer than 16 characters
#70I remember once reading a bank's FAQ trying to explain why passwords couldn't contain SELECT, UPDATE, DROP, or DELETE. I can't find it now so hopefully that little problem has been fixed...
No offensive words either! We don't want our engineers looking through our big plaintext files to get offended.
One time I gave feedback to Google, from a Google feedback form, and gave my real (and had been in use for years) googlemail account name on this Google form.
The form rejected it, because my real name has a mild swear in it.
That kind of thing is vaguely disappointing.
I did suddenly have to change all the answers to my 'secret questions' when I realised that I'd have to read them out loud if I needed to get back into my bank account. Lots of profanity snipped there.