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The Myth of America's Tech Talent Shortage

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Re: The Myth of America's Tech Talent Shortage

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The article just assumes as clear and given that the immigrants have better skills, but there is no explanation for just how that could be. The technical education system in Taiwan and India is much better than in the US? Tough to believe.

Western education is fairly individualistic; it may not churn out the same level of hard-CS devotion as Eastern school systems. Check out 'coding' competitions like Top Coder and IOI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Olympiad_in_Infor...

Re: The Myth of America's Tech Talent Shortage

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A quote from the article also applies to the recent fad of promoting STEM education in K-12 etc. "Roughly twice as many American undergraduates earn degrees in science, technology, engineering, and math disciplines than go on to work in those fields." Maybe if my kids grade school gets their way, we can boost that to four times, or even more. Those numbers are almost as bad as recent law school grad stats. Needless t…

kneejerk reaction: like what? I haven't thought a lot about this, but I tend to equate STEM with 'profitable future'. What other industries/disciplines are you thinking of?

if my hypothetical children needed guidance, I'd probably advice on accounting. Huge industry that ain't going anywhere, lots of work at the low end, lots of pay at the high end, still applicable if you change job later, generally respected culturally.

Re: The Myth of America's Tech Talent Shortage

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Every time I try to hire someone to do any tech work for me, I am convinced there is a shortage of tech talent. It is cray hard to hire people, leaving aside price. It is hard to even get people to discuss working for me, before compensation is even discussed.

And I live in NYC, not under a rock. And I'm friendly.

Sure seems like a tech shortage to me.

Re: The Myth of America's Tech Talent Shortage

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Every time I try to hire someone to do any tech work for me, I am convinced there is a shortage of tech talent. It is crazy hard to hire people, leaving aside price. It is hard to even get people to discuss working for me, before compensation is part of the picture.

And I live in NYC, not under a rock. And I'm friendly.

Sure seems like a tech shortage to me.

Re: The Myth of America's Tech Talent Shortage

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As someone who has been working as a software developer for five years since graduating, the claims made by this article are completely contrary to my personal experience. Finding good developers is hard. We spend months trying to hire for positions, sometimes interviewing dozens of people, before we find someone. And we pay well, use modern technologies, have a great group of existing developers, and don't expect an…

If you pay well enough, finding good developers isn't that hard.

Many "good" programmers I know would very likely jump ship at their current job for 600k/year. You've just got to find a better middle ground.

Re: The Myth of America's Tech Talent Shortage

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"Now, let's review some microeconomics. In a free market, it is almost axiomatic that the market always clears. That's a technical term that means that when somebody tries to sell something, if they are willing to accept the market price, they will be able to sell it, and when somebody wants to buy something, if they are willing to pay the market price, they will be able to buy it. It's just a matter of both sides accepting the market price." - Joel Spolsky " Whaddaya Mean, You Can't Find Programmers?"

http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000050.html

Sure, if you can't find developers to work for you at any price than there probably is a shortage of developers in your area. If you could find developers if you paid twice as much as you are offering, then that is a clue that the market price is just higher than you can or are willing to pay.

Re: The Myth of America's Tech Talent Shortage

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So every issue only gets one post at HN and then it's done forever? Since this is an issue which is actively being reformed right now, it seems to me that posting current (same day), informational posts about it is totally valid.

There are no new developments, just more news outlets using (subjectively) bad interpretations of existing ideas/data. Look at a site like http://www.memeorandum.com -- for any one news story, a dozen news outlets report on it (discussion section of links). That's what's going on here: a new outlet decides to report on the same information that someone already scooped and we already discussed, and then we start the d…

> " Is it worthwhile to redo the effort?"

Last time around certainly wasn't the first time around for this issue. So if HN was in the habit of retiring subjects, there wouldn't have been any of those brilliant comments you referred to.

And yet you're going to use those comments to argue for the retirement of the subject?

Re: The Myth of America's Tech Talent Shortage

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I don't doubt that companies are trying to get a piece of legislation passed that allows them to pay employees less. Increasing margins, that's what companies do.

I do take issue with the idea that the talent shortage is a myth.

I work for a company willing to pay a six figure starting salary plus good benefits in what's supposed to be a recession and we cannot fill our headcount.

My team has been looking to fill 2 headcount positions for months and it's dry as hell. Our search includes the entire US since working remote is acceptable. Candidates often look good on paper but they can't whiteboard even simple problems.

It seems every company with decent staff has made them happy and no one decent is jumping ship right now especially when trying to recruit from the larger companies.

I'm getting sick of all the hyperbole on this site. I think I'll be uncommenting my hosts file entry to block it for a while.

Re: The Myth of America's Tech Talent Shortage

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"Now, let's review some microeconomics. In a free market, it is almost axiomatic that the market always clears. That's a technical term that means that when somebody tries to sell something, if they are willing to accept the market price, they will be able to sell it, and when somebody wants to buy something, if they are willing to pay the market price, they will be able to buy it. It's just a matter of both sides ac…

And if you can double the number of developers by importing them from abroad while keeping the number of jobs constant, the clearing price will inevitably fall to reflect increased supply with constant demand.

There, was that so hard? Yet some people seem to have trouble believing it. It's almost as if people are regurgitating their political beliefs instead of looking at the situation honestly.

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