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The Myth of America's Tech Talent Shortage

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Re: The Myth of America's Tech Talent Shortage

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A quote from the article also applies to the recent fad of promoting STEM education in K-12 etc.

"Roughly twice as many American undergraduates earn degrees in science, technology, engineering, and math disciplines than go on to work in those fields."

Maybe if my kids grade school gets their way, we can boost that to four times, or even more. Those numbers are almost as bad as recent law school grad stats.

Needless to say as a life long STEM guy I'm strongly encouraging my kids to avoid the STEM field at all costs. I'm not annoyed at my kids school for focusing on STEM; its a very good educational technique and not any worse than other educational fads. As a vocation choice STEM is as likely to be as unrewarding as trying to become a rock star, a pro NBA player, or a fine arts painter, but those classes are great in K-12 schools. Those examples, and STEM, make truly excellent hobbies, but awful jobs, at least for most of the participants. I may not know the right answer, but I know STEM is the wrong answer. I'll still love my kids anyway, no matter if they become unemployed programmers or unemployed musicians, but I hope they can do better financially with their lives both for themselves and the grandkids, by being quided out of "hobby" jobs like STEM and music and art and into something with a profitable future.

Re: The Myth of America's Tech Talent Shortage

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> Could it be that schools aren't teaching their students the right stuff, that despite their fancy credentials, today's grads lack the programming chops or logical prowess needed to succeed at a Google or Microsoft? Not so much.

Having done interviews at Google, and given a lot of very low scores to people with impressive degrees, I'm inclined to say yes. The author thinks that this would cause wages to rise, but the argument there looks pretty sketchy.

Re: The Myth of America's Tech Talent Shortage

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I think countries that want more immigrants could learn something from Canada.

In one of the recent reforms, it started to favor those who can fit into the country better -- those who have spent several years studying or working here can get immigration visa much easier and faster, without needing any sponsors.

This ensures a few things:

1, it reduces the chance of some highly educated immigrants failed to adapt to local job market and ended up doing manual labors, or consuming social assistance.

2, it gives the market more power to influence who should get in the country.

3, companies cannot hold foreign workers hostage, because after a couple years, the workers can fast-track through immigration visa without them.

Re: The Myth of America's Tech Talent Shortage

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post #3

A quote from the article also applies to the recent fad of promoting STEM education in K-12 etc. "Roughly twice as many American undergraduates earn degrees in science, technology, engineering, and math disciplines than go on to work in those fields." Maybe if my kids grade school gets their way, we can boost that to four times, or even more. Those numbers are almost as bad as recent law school grad stats. Needless t…

kneejerk reaction: like what? I haven't thought a lot about this, but I tend to equate STEM with 'profitable future'. What other industries/disciplines are you thinking of?

Re: The Myth of America's Tech Talent Shortage

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How many times is this going to be reposted to HackerNews? How many times are we going to bring up the same issues with this interpretation?

Like, for example: the assumption that every STEM graduate wants to work in STEM fields, and that the failure of a STEM grad to find work in a STEM field is a failure of the STEM field instead of a personal decision of the STEM grad to pursue whatever career they want.

Re: The Myth of America's Tech Talent Shortage

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post #7

How many times is this going to be reposted to HackerNews? How many times are we going to bring up the same issues with this interpretation? Like, for example: the assumption that every STEM graduate wants to work in STEM fields, and that the failure of a STEM grad to find work in a STEM field is a failure of the STEM field instead of a personal decision of the STEM grad to pursue whatever career they want.

> How many times are we going to bring up the same issues with this interpretation?

Another great reason to flag articles that are primarily political in nature, although I have to admit this one is fairly close to a lot of us.

Re: The Myth of America's Tech Talent Shortage

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post #3

A quote from the article also applies to the recent fad of promoting STEM education in K-12 etc. "Roughly twice as many American undergraduates earn degrees in science, technology, engineering, and math disciplines than go on to work in those fields." Maybe if my kids grade school gets their way, we can boost that to four times, or even more. Those numbers are almost as bad as recent law school grad stats. Needless t…

> As a vocation choice STEM is as likely to be as unrewarding as trying to become a rock star, a pro NBA player,

You could always point your kids towards economics - they'd spot the flaw in the above pretty quickly: a lot of STEM stuff is not zero-sum. If more people work on building more stuff, it's probably a net gain for the world. The NBA, on the other hand, by definition, can only have one champion per year, and only have N teams per year.

Re: The Myth of America's Tech Talent Shortage

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post #3

A quote from the article also applies to the recent fad of promoting STEM education in K-12 etc. "Roughly twice as many American undergraduates earn degrees in science, technology, engineering, and math disciplines than go on to work in those fields." Maybe if my kids grade school gets their way, we can boost that to four times, or even more. Those numbers are almost as bad as recent law school grad stats. Needless t…

Agreed - as Mark Cuban says [paraphrased, when asked about what kind of technology the question asker should master] -

  Technology Sales.
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