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Re: Pirates playing a game dev simulator complain about piracy

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Post by citricsquid »

logicallee wrote: post #79
citricsquid wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The two screenshots are from 2 different forums, the first is Steam community forum and the second is Facepunch. The Facepunch post is here: http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?p=40453336#post40453336 and the Steam one is probably somewhere in here: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/discussion...

I'm sorry if I'm incredulous. I DO believe that the screenshots show the formating of the forum. It's just that those particular posts were completely fabricated. (e.g. rewriting the source code of a comment in the html source and then taking a screenshot of it.) Just to confirm that Google does index those posts, I picked a random one that wasn't too recent, and could find it without any problem: https://www.google.…

I did link you to the posts on facepunch.com, here's a screenshot instead: http://i.imgur.com/Ankgk7S.png

Re: Pirates playing a game dev simulator complain about piracy

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Post by krichman »

eropple wrote: post #68
vy8vWJlco wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are people who go outside and drink from a stream (through a filter/firewall, of course), stealing? What about people who take in the scenery, or people who breath? Is nature a starving artist? I'm not for dumping toxic waste in the river, or stealing property, but the Internet is my environment, and copying data is not only cheap, that's what I pay my ISP to be able to do. IMHO, that makes copying as moral as breath…

> there is no way to downvote a game producer after you have paid for something you didn't know in advance that you would like I'm not going to fisk your post, which is largely self-serving rationalization. But I am going to touch on this. The choice is not "pirate it" or "pay for it". You can also--shocker incoming--not pirate it and not pay for it. Don't like that a publisher doesn't have a demo? Don't buy it. Don'…

I agree.

I don't pay for anything unless I can try it or read a ton of reviews about it first. I've still gotten burned a few times but never felt any moral outrage over it. It's not some inalienable right to download stuff for free.

Re: Pirates playing a game dev simulator complain about piracy

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Post by logicallee »

bvdbijl wrote: post #78
logicallee wrote: post #45

update2, someone replied with a screenshot but non-working link to the comment. attempting to verify. so far could not verify links directly. will attempt to update if I am still within this comment's edit window, otherwise see responses below for the current status. ---- EDIT: it also makes it seem likely to me that the screenshots of users posting on forums were fabricated. they seem a little too good (too ironic,…

one explanation might be that the posts were deleted because piracy isn't tolerated on those forums

The posts did not discuss piracy, only in-game dynamics. That's the point.

The author also literally made up the lie that ONE minute after adding his torrent, look at all these pirates, this is a screenshot ONE minute after adding the torrent!

Screenshots show torrent added a day ago.

Also, it's neither here nor there but I personally would have linked to the posts in question in the write-up. However this is a matter of style and I don't hold it against the author.

Re: Pirates playing a game dev simulator complain about piracy

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Post by cjh_ »

logicallee wrote: post #45

update2, someone replied with a screenshot but non-working link to the comment. attempting to verify. so far could not verify links directly. will attempt to update if I am still within this comment's edit window, otherwise see responses below for the current status. ---- EDIT: it also makes it seem likely to me that the screenshots of users posting on forums were fabricated. they seem a little too good (too ironic,…

Those searches don't necessarily mean this is a hoax, simply that Google hasn't yet indexed them (possible if the posts are only a few days old), and that is assuming they are in places Google is able to index at all.

Re: Pirates playing a game dev simulator complain about piracy

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Post by bromagosa »

kenkam wrote: post #21

Slightly unrelated to the original point of the article: has anyone heard of Kairosoft and Game Dev Story [0]? It's ironic the OP wrote an article about irony. Having said that, it looks like they have elements not seen in GDS, but the premise is similar enough. [0]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_Dev_Story

Some anti-piracy zealots would dare to say they pirated their game idea from someone else.

Re: Pirates playing a game dev simulator complain about piracy

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Post by eropple »

vy8vWJlco wrote: post #76
eropple wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> there is no way to downvote a game producer after you have paid for something you didn't know in advance that you would like I'm not going to fisk your post, which is largely self-serving rationalization. But I am going to touch on this. The choice is not "pirate it" or "pay for it". You can also--shocker incoming--not pirate it and not pay for it. Don't like that a publisher doesn't have a demo? Don't buy it. Don'…

"I'm assuming some bad faith here, because the next person who actually compensates creators, without exception and at the price they ask for the content they pirate and use will be the first." In your own words, you say copying is human nature. It sounds like the "pay-before-evaluate" model is hoping to change that. I'd say expecting human nature to change is unrealistic. Isn't it easier to just exploit human nature…

"Taking shit for free because I can" is the nature of a certain audience, yes. Relying on attacks of moral conscience from people already willing to do this is not a workable business model, and because of this, we as a society have evolved a system of copyrights to incentivize content creation[1]. (Tchotchkes with a free game attached is, likewise, not particularly viable.)

[1] - No, this is not a defense of Disney at al and ever-growing copyright lengths, but neither is it an allowance that running roughshod over the little guy is acceptable either.

Re: Pirates playing a game dev simulator complain about piracy

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Post by jiggy2011 »

vy8vWJlco wrote: post #57
eropple wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People arguing that piracy is ruining gamedev routinely ignore the fact that those who pirate don't necessarily have the means to buy many games And people who defend pirates routinely ignore that pirated products are also pirated by people who will take what they want for free if they can, because they can. Don't pretend to a higher level of intellectual honesty or moral strength. Your position can lay claim to ne…

Are people who go outside and drink from a stream (through a filter/firewall, of course), stealing? What about people who take in the scenery, or people who breath? Is nature a starving artist? I'm not for dumping toxic waste in the river, or stealing property, but the Internet is my environment, and copying data is not only cheap, that's what I pay my ISP to be able to do. IMHO, that makes copying as moral as breath…

Problem is , for everyone who will happily compensate the artist if they feel they got value there are probably ~100 people who will just keep it for free even if they feel they had value.

Re: Pirates playing a game dev simulator complain about piracy

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Post by Indyan »

algorias wrote: post #15

While I think this is a very clever idea, it's also somewhat dishonest. In the game world, pirates cause studios to go bankrupt. In the real world, the causal link is not as clear. People arguing that piracy is ruining gamedev routinely ignore the fact that those who pirate don't necessarily have the means to buy many games; their choice is purely between pirating and not playing. Of those 90% or more who pirate the…

This is actually true. I used to pirate games during my school and college days, since I couldn't afford to shell out 3000 INR on a single game. I still did buy a few original games (whenever my parents allowed me to), but 95% of the games I played was pirated. But, after getting a job and becoming financially independent, I switched to purchasing copies on Steam. Now, I have around 50 titles in my library.

Re: Pirates playing a game dev simulator complain about piracy

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Post by logicallee »

citricsquid wrote: post #81
logicallee wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry if I'm incredulous. I DO believe that the screenshots show the formating of the forum. It's just that those particular posts were completely fabricated. (e.g. rewriting the source code of a comment in the html source and then taking a screenshot of it.) Just to confirm that Google does index those posts, I picked a random one that wasn't too recent, and could find it without any problem: https://www.google.…

I did link you to the posts on facepunch.com, here's a screenshot instead: http://i.imgur.com/Ankgk7S.png

that screenshot is good, unfortunately I can't get to the source to verify directly. It is down at the moment and not taking registrations.

if I verify I will retract my hoax allegations.

May I ask how you yourself found that post, given that google didn't have it indexed?

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