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Re: I knew exactly how she felt

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> I figured it out. They're a uniform. I think it's just a way of showing off. Case in point: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12532552/what-part-of-mil... The guy has no idea what the notation means by still wants to wear the t-shirt.

You're both right. It's social signaling: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signalling_theory Your Star Wars or Hindley-Milner t-shirt tells people who see it that you're a particular kind of person. This encourages people who are like you to approach you, because it signals that you're safe -- you're "one of us." Likewise, it discourages those who are unlike you from doing the same, sparing you from having conversations…

Let's say you started a company and named it after a technical concept from computer science (for example a higher order function that computes the fixed point of other functions in lambda calculus) would that be an example of this signalling?

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Star Wars is really, really stupid. Also boring. People have an obsession with it because it hit them at the age when they were too young to realize how it's about as intellectually challenging as My Little Ponies in Space. They saw LASERS! and SPACE SHIPS! and EVIL PEOPLE! as 9-year-olds and it embedded in their minds as "cooler than cool." The same way that some adults have a huge nostalgia-on for He-Man or Gem and…

> "about as intellectually challenging as My Little Ponies in Space" The modern incarnation of My Little Ponies is substantially more intellectually challenging than you might expect.

Haha! (Thanks for the real-life laugh :) I admit - I have only seen the late 80s/early 90s versions of MLP (when I was a little girl). Which were about as intellectual as Care Bears. Care Bears hasn't gotten more intellectual in a reissue, has it?

Re: I knew exactly how she felt

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Star Wars is really, really stupid. Also boring. People have an obsession with it because it hit them at the age when they were too young to realize how it's about as intellectually challenging as My Little Ponies in Space. They saw LASERS! and SPACE SHIPS! and EVIL PEOPLE! as 9-year-olds and it embedded in their minds as "cooler than cool." The same way that some adults have a huge nostalgia-on for He-Man or Gem and…

Star Wars is not really, really stupid - that end of the spectrum belongs to James Bond.

One word: Ewoks.

Not defending Bond movies. I agree, they're pretty damn stupid. (Although at least the earlier ones were done with a sense of fun. I like stupid fun.) But... ewoks.

Re: I knew exactly how she felt

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> In this case, both geeks and women suffer from discrimination in different contexts. Being a geek and a woman is doubly difficult because mainstream society (both men and women) say "you're a woman, you shouldn't be a geek". Sure, but why should society like everything? In this case, geeks. Now, I'm a geek myself. But I still find it OK that society can like some things (and professions) more than it does others. E…

why is it that being fans of a popular sport and wear you team s jersey is cool, while being fans of more niche interests like geeky movies or tech isn't, to such a degree that kid who like it gets teased? there is some thing inherent in being more intellectual that provoke those who aren't.

>why is it that being fans of a popular sport and wear you team s jersey is cool, while being fans of more niche interests like geeky movies or tech isn't, to such a degree that kid who like it gets teased?

Because one is "popular" (your words) and the other is "more niche" (also your words).

So if the many want to tease the few (which is how teasing goes anyway), it would be the people doing popular things to people doing more niche things.

>there is some thing inherent in being more intellectual that provoke those who aren't.

Yes, that's it's a niche endeavor. Nothing anti-intellectual only about it.

People would equally tease the sole guy who collects stamps or the sole girl who still listens to Milli Vanilli.

Re: I knew exactly how she felt

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I'm not sure the author quite understood the seeing Star Wars thing was a super low bar fitness test. Once long ago my new wife asked me why geeks always wear tshirts with obscure references that no one gets. I was slightly put out by the question until I figured it out. They're a uniform. It's how we id the friendlies on the battlefield.

I've not seen Star Wars . Well, I tried to but fell asleep 10 minutes in. Oddly, I'm not feeling like an odd one out here, even so :-)

Star Wars is not especially a "good" per se (BSG > Star Wars...heh). But to (a lot of) us, it's always fun to watch and became akin to a beacon of sorts and somehow this beacon is shared by (some) techies, (some) Trekkies, (some) browncoats, (some) Tolkien readers,... to the point where it's hard to take it seriously sometimes =)

Re: I knew exactly how she felt

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It's not just the stigma that IT isn't womanly, it's the idea that a young girl... already completely dejected by her peers, is forced to endure classes made up of 100% high school boys. Unless the teacher is incredible defensive of the girl's position in the class, she will most likely drop it. I am not surprised there are so few women in IT.

It's not just the stigma that IT isn't womanly, it's the idea that a young girl... already completely dejected by her peers (read "females"), couldn't integrate herself better in classes made up of 100% high school boys (which are her peers as much as the other girls). Unless this high school girl is incredibly hard to get along with, she will most likely make friends, males or females. I am surprised there are so few women in IT.

Re: I knew exactly how she felt

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Ugh. "Our people"? This post is alienating me. I am a female software engineer. I also cannot stand sci-fi and love fashion, romantic comedies, painting my nails and all kinds of girly shit. I can gush over a beautiful Hermes scarf or my favorite chambray shirt one moment, and automate the fuck out of the iOS app testing process the next. (Just an example that the author, because she's in testing, might be interested…

I second that emotion.

Though one could admire the issue moving away from "women in tech" to "non-geek persons in tech" ;)

Re: I knew exactly how she felt

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I am a girl studying computer science. I never understood the whole geek girl mentality of "I don't get OTHER girls! They only like shopping! I like nerdy things!" I like shopping and makeup. I also like nerdy things like Lord of the Rings and programming hackathons. I get along with girly girls AND geeks. People are more complex than "I only like shopping" or "I only like Star Wars". It's not hard to make friends wi…

Like someone posted right below your, because everyone wants to belong to a Grandfalloon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granfalloon

It's easier to "belong to a club" by saying either "I like computers", "I like sports" or "I like my nails painted" than by saying "I like computers, sports and nails painted".

But didn't we learn that the world isn't binary? :)

Re: I knew exactly how she felt

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This actually explains why more women do not get into tech careers. In the same way that this young woman felt alienated from her schoolmates, many women who are not into geek culture would feel alienated by CS classmates and the tech industry. There's been a lot of talk about getting more women into this industry, and it's often looked at as a failing of the industry itself. What's plainly obvious to me is that many…

> What's plainly obvious to me is that many (most?) women just aren't interested in the field. Which is exactly the problem. There's no strong reason to suggest that this difference is due to anything other than social pressure. Something in the way we socialize children is convincing half the potential talent pool that they shouldn't develop an interest in technology fields, almost certainly because they see few if…

> There's no strong reason to suggest that this difference is due to anything other than social pressure.

Not entirely true. Differences between male and female behavior and interest can be demonstrated on the first day of life in humans, and can even be demonstrated in other species of animals such as rodents.

> In summary, we have demonstrated that at 1 day old, human neonates demonstrate sexual dimorphism in both social and mechanical perception. Male infants show a stronger interest in mechanical objects, while female infants show a stronger interest in the face. At such an age, these sex differences cannot readily be attributed to postnatal experience, and are instead consistent with a biological cause, most likely neurogenetic and/or neuroendocrine in nature. http://www.math.kth.se/matstat/gru/5b1501/F/sex.pdf

There are physical differences between the structure of male and female brains:

> Using magnetic resonance imaging, we assessed gray matter volumes in several cortical regions in 17 women and 43 men. Women had 23.2% (dorsolateral prefrontal cortex) and 12.8% (superior temporal gyrus) greater gray matter percentages than men in a language-related cortical region, but not in a more visuospatially related cortical region. These data seem to establish sexually dimorphic structural differences in the cerebral cortex, consistent with ptior cerebral blood flow reports. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/09254927950...

> The really significant difference, however, shows up in where language is processed in the male and female brains. The left and right hemispheres of women process language almost equally; while in men, language is processed almost exclusively by the left hemisphere. This symmetrical processing by the female brain is not limited to language applications, and is probably a result of a corpus callosum that is 20% larger in females than in males. (Eliot 1999:380-81,432; Kommer 2006: 248)

> Spatial tasks are among those other applications females process bilaterally. For men, however, spatial tasks are processed in the right hemisphere. (Rilea 2008:2) http://www.erha.org/buettner/spatial.htm

Based on current research it seems premature to conclude that the differences in performance or personal interest are /entirely/ social. Some research on the topic of performance differences between boys and girls:

> More than 50 years of psychological testing and research have yielded the consensus that "the most persistent of individual differences on mutlifactor tests of psychological functioning is a sex difference in spatial ability. Males have decidedly better spatial skill than females" (Harris 1978). In a detailed meta-analysis of the studies of cognitive sex differences, Rosenthal and Rubin (1982) concluded that, although the magnitude of such differences has declined in recent years, sex differences in cognitive functioning are still nontrivial and of real practical importance. The few nonhuman species for which there are comparative data suggest the generality of this phenomenon: among both wild and laboratory rodents males perform significantly better than females on spatial tasks. http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/2461648?uid=3739256&#3...

> For instance, men and women perform comparably on such language skills as verbal reasoning and vocabulary, and men actually outperform women on verbal analogies. Women, despite their supposed mathematical shortcomings, are better at numerical calculations. (Eliot 1999:380, 431)

> Men do perform better on certain spatial tasks; for example, mentally rotating objects in space and reading maps/locating landmarks. Women, researchers have found, are better at remembering the location of objects in a large array. (Eliot 1999: 221; Understanding the Brain 2007:103; Sherry 1997:50)

> A large sex difference in mathematical ability in favor of boys was observed in every talent search. It is notable that we observed sizable sex differences in mathematical reasoning ability in 7th grade students. Until that grade, boys and girls have presumably had essential the same amount of formal training in mathematics. Thus, the sex difference in mathematical reasoning ability we found was observed before girls and boys started to differ significantly in the number and types of mathematics courses taken. http://www.vanderbilt.edu/peabody/smpy/ScienceFactOrArtifact...

> Sizable performance and participation rate differences have existed between male and female candidates on the College Board Admissions Testing Program's (ATP) Physics Achievement Test for many years (Pfeiffenberger, 1974) http://research.collegeboard.org/sites/default/files/publica... (this report concludes that the performance difference vanishes when comparing boys and girls with many semesters of physics training, but notes that far fewer girls undertake the training than boys).

Re: I knew exactly how she felt

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I'm interested in working for a fashion company in tech, do you happen to work for one of the really great ones like Warby Parker? Any tips?

Hahaha, I am the lead engineer at a Brooklyn startup called Classic Specs. We do vintage-inspired eyewear, but our real business is that we work with other fashion brands who want to get into eyewear and design the frames, build their website, etc. We just launched eyewear for our first brand a few weeks ago, and we have several more in the pipeline for the rest of this year! Send me a note if you are interesting in…

Please consider pivoting into time travel.

Then can I tell my past self to buy three spare Big Bodhi frames (from LA Eyeworks), which are now discontinued. I can't even get spare/repair parts any more.

More seriously, I wish there was a better way to find glasses that work. I've got a big head with a big nose. Very few options. And the manufacturer dimensions (specs) aren't helpful. The bridge size should be pad to pad, not frame to frame.

My one great hope is to have a 3D head scanner coupled with custom built glasses, just for me.

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