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Goldman-Sachs Posts $1.8 Billion 1Q Profit, Looks to Sell Stock, Repay TARP

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Re: Goldman-Sachs Posts $1.8 Billion 1Q Profit, Looks to Sell Stock, Repay TARP

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this is fantastic news, though i guess it makes sense. goldman attracts the most talented folks just by winking at them.

Goldman's secret to "success" in this instance is the freshly changed accounting rules (see my comment elsewhere) and in the recent past has been the patronage of ex-Goldman Sachs CEO and now treasury secretary Paulson.

Actually, Paulson is no longer the Treasury Secretary. Timothy Geitner holds that post.

Re: Goldman-Sachs Posts $1.8 Billion 1Q Profit, Looks to Sell Stock, Repay TARP

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this is fantastic news, though i guess it makes sense. goldman attracts the most talented folks just by winking at them.

There's an old joke that a new MD at Goldman is looking to hire 5 new analysts for his department. The new MD goes to his old boss and asks, "What should I do? I have 10 resumes from 10 great candidates, who all went to Ivy League school, graduated with perfect GPAs and all interviewed very well. How do I decide who to hire?" The old boss asks to see the pile of resumes, and gives them a quick glance. He then shuffle…

I heard the same joke about McKinsey. Makes sense, after all McKinsey is the Goldman Sachs of consulting.

Re: Goldman-Sachs Posts $1.8 Billion 1Q Profit, Looks to Sell Stock, Repay TARP

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Accounting regulations were changed last week [1] so that banks do not have to "mark to market" in "inactive markets" anymore. Since Goldman Sachs is now a bank holding company, they don't have to do this either. What is now a ~2B profit would probably have been a far greater loss by the old rules. [1] http://www.reuters.com/article/governmentFilingsNews/idUSN09...

The way these things turn out is both sad and terrifying.

Re: Goldman-Sachs Posts $1.8 Billion 1Q Profit, Looks to Sell Stock, Repay TARP

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interestingly, they're sitting on over $100B cash and cash equiv. http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bs?s=GS&annual

With accounts payable of $257B, so the cash doesn't really mean that much and a net ~64B assets-liabilities and all those numbers are from Nov '08

Fair points.

Re: Goldman-Sachs Posts $1.8 Billion 1Q Profit, Looks to Sell Stock, Repay TARP

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As you watch democracy die to thunderous applause, remember to subtract the $10 billion of government funding and the $13 billion looted from the taxpayers through AIG face-value swap repayments.

At least the first sum you mentioned does not add to profit.

Re: Goldman-Sachs Posts $1.8 Billion 1Q Profit, Looks to Sell Stock, Repay TARP

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this is fantastic news, though i guess it makes sense. goldman attracts the most talented folks just by winking at them.

Goldman's secret to "success" in this instance is the freshly changed accounting rules (see my comment elsewhere) and in the recent past has been the patronage of ex-Goldman Sachs CEO and now treasury secretary Paulson.

Accounting rule changes that were long overdue. I know of at least one case of a mortgage firm whose loans were performing but was put under by the decline in market value of its assets.

Presumably if Goldman Sachs' success is solely due to changes in accounting rules, we will see most other financial firms follow in their footsteps.

Re: Goldman-Sachs Posts $1.8 Billion 1Q Profit, Looks to Sell Stock, Repay TARP

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As you watch democracy die to thunderous applause, remember to subtract the $10 billion of government funding and the $13 billion looted from the taxpayers through AIG face-value swap repayments.

At least the first sum you mentioned does not add to profit.

You are correct, sorry. That's tier capital, right?

Re: Goldman-Sachs Posts $1.8 Billion 1Q Profit, Looks to Sell Stock, Repay TARP

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least the first sum you mentioned does not add to profit.

You are correct, sorry. That's tier capital, right?

I never had bank risk-adjusted capital regulations memorized, and it is much too complicated for me to care to relearn now.

However, the addition of a new liquidity source on the balance sheet in general has no direct effect on the income statement. Borrowing money is not income. Indirectly, it will have an effect through the interest expense owed to the owner of the liability and the interest income earned from the additional cash. However, the net interest income or expense is likely to be much less than the $10 billion face value of the liability.

A caveat: I didn't read through their financial statements, and I refuse to do so unless someone will pay me.

Re: Goldman-Sachs Posts $1.8 Billion 1Q Profit, Looks to Sell Stock, Repay TARP

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are correct, sorry. That's tier capital, right?

I never had bank risk-adjusted capital regulations memorized, and it is much too complicated for me to care to relearn now. However, the addition of a new liquidity source on the balance sheet in general has no direct effect on the income statement. Borrowing money is not income. Indirectly, it will have an effect through the interest expense owed to the owner of the liability and the interest income earned from the…

> A caveat: I didn't read through their financial statements, and I refuse to do so unless someone will pay me.

Upvoted for badass mercenary attitude. You should try consulting! :D

Re: Goldman-Sachs Posts $1.8 Billion 1Q Profit, Looks to Sell Stock, Repay TARP

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Accounting regulations were changed last week [1] so that banks do not have to "mark to market" in "inactive markets" anymore. Since Goldman Sachs is now a bank holding company, they don't have to do this either. What is now a ~2B profit would probably have been a far greater loss by the old rules. [1] http://www.reuters.com/article/governmentFilingsNews/idUSN09...

We should be careful and not equate what they have the option of doing to what they are actually doing. They in particular have been sticklers in marking to market no matter what, regardless of if they are a bank holding company or not (In the conference call this is reiterated many times).

It would not have been a far greater loss under the old rules, that much is clear from reading the balance sheet and disclosure of the relatively small size of legacy assets (the assets that would be impacted by different marking methods). Income was driven in pure trade faciliation, good old fashioned buy low and sell high in the capacity of a financial intermediary.

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