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Pirate Bay Finds Safe Haven in Iceland, Switches to .IS Domain

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Re: Pirate Bay Finds Safe Haven in Iceland, Switches to .IS Domain

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What I wonder about, is they should be the "creators" and steering committee for the worlds own PnP DNS servers... I would gladly host a small portion of DNS spaces on my machines running at home...

DNS is probably the wrong word. You want some new method of name resolution, not DNS. The thing with DNS is that it actually works pretty well as a distributed system. There are a bunch of different people responsible for different TLDs. If the operator of one TLD is censoring you, you can use a different one. There are really two primary concerns with DNS. The first is that even if you have a domain using a TLD whos…

I was thinking about this for a while and I suspect many others as well. We don't really need icann in the current form. I appreciate your thoughts as they provide insight into ways to go about it that I wasn't thinking much.

What others said, something like a service behind tor, which would be immune to government interference (to a point obviously) and that would provide flexible name resolution. I think you touch on that quite a bit by saying you would give tld to anyone who asks first. I think ability to get name that is yours without affecting others who would like that name is essential.

Re: Pirate Bay Finds Safe Haven in Iceland, Switches to .IS Domain

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DNS is probably the wrong word. You want some new method of name resolution, not DNS. The thing with DNS is that it actually works pretty well as a distributed system. There are a bunch of different people responsible for different TLDs. If the operator of one TLD is censoring you, you can use a different one. There are really two primary concerns with DNS. The first is that even if you have a domain using a TLD whos…

This is good, the problem is "and hopefully vice versa". ICANN can break this by grabbing contested names and counting on the fact that 99% of users will see what they want them to.

Not really. For anyone whose device supports the new name resolution system, if the TLD it's doing a look up on is associated with a public key then there would be no reason to even use normal DNS (which is significantly less secure because it has no widely implemented method to verify that the response is authentic).

Re: Pirate Bay Finds Safe Haven in Iceland, Switches to .IS Domain

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I'm not really sure it's bullying per se, to try and stop the mass illegal downloading of your content. It's not like they've got thugs at the door, they're just trying to shut down a site who's sole purpose is enabling the illegal downloading, and who has no interest in co-operating with even nicely worded, fair requests. I'm not a great fan of the entertainment industry, but if people were doing this to YC startups…

Im going to try to keep it short, but its hard given the many different topic you touched on. Any company that solely depend on government granted monopolies for their businesses model will have a hard time to claim a moral high ground or demand that the sovereign of foreign countries should be violated. The business model I would suggest is one that do not solely depend on government grants. That would likely be to…

> Any company that solely depend on government granted monopolies for their businesses model will have a hard time to claim a moral high ground or demand that the sovereign of foreign countries should be violated.

All forms of property are a government granted monopoly. God doesn't give you a monopoly over your lawn or the things you create with your hands, Uncle Sam does.

Re: Pirate Bay Finds Safe Haven in Iceland, Switches to .IS Domain

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The government doesn't own it, but it enforces the right that you own it. Both for physical goods in the obvious way, and IP via the way of copyright.

Except that the notion of property ownership predates written records and organized government. Copyright was started in the 17th century to address the failure of previous censorship efforts in a world of new technology (the printing press), and eventually became a means by which printers could secure a competitive advantage. We now live in a world where the machines needed to copy things are commonly owned by indiv…

> Except that the notion of property ownership predates written records and organized government. Copyright was started in the 17th century...

So what? The previous poster's point is that both forms of property are social contracts. All private property, physical or otherwise, are nothing but societal agreements, regardless of whether there is a written record or what point in history the agreement began.

Re: Pirate Bay Finds Safe Haven in Iceland, Switches to .IS Domain

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DNS is probably the wrong word. You want some new method of name resolution, not DNS. The thing with DNS is that it actually works pretty well as a distributed system. There are a bunch of different people responsible for different TLDs. If the operator of one TLD is censoring you, you can use a different one. There are really two primary concerns with DNS. The first is that even if you have a domain using a TLD whos…

I suppose you could have an even less centralised system to resemble Tor hidden services. This transcript of Assange and Schmidt's meeting discusses this at a certain point, just grep for 'hash'[1]. That way the domain name itself is proof of its authenticity. Couldn't you also have something akin to bitcoin's blockchain, where the identity of a domain is agreed upon by the majority of the creators of the blockchain?…

>I suppose you could have an even less centralised system to resemble Tor hidden services. This transcript of Assange and Schmidt's meeting discusses this at a certain point, just grep for 'hash'[1]. That way the domain name itself is proof of its authenticity.

Using a hash as the name can be useful, especially where the name is only being read by a machine, e.g. you post a link and somebody can just click it, or it's part of your app which you're only using instead of an IP address in case the IP address changes. Or you can put it in a QR code or use NFC on mobile devices etc. The trouble is that it causes the name to be full of encoded data and humans can't remember it. You would still like some way of using memorable names for instances where someone is going to have to type the thing.

>Couldn't you also have something akin to bitcoin's blockchain, where the identity of a domain is agreed upon by the majority of the creators of the blockchain? I don't know what the equivalent of mining would be though. Assange also suggests how domains could be made hard to make, so that they can be 'mined', creating scarcity so that "some arsehole" doesn't "register every short name themselves"[sic].

I was thinking about something like that, it seems like the trouble is how do you calibrate the amount of work to be done. If you make it massive (like $200,000 worth of CPU time on Amazon) then you're excluding a lot of the people you wouldn't want to exclude, or causing them to waste a lot of money. But anything significantly less formidable just isn't going to solve the problem -- at $200 you can still imagine a slew of jackasses registering all the short names. Especially when they're evildoers who are using a botnet and don't actually have to pay anything for the computing resources. And that also doesn't solve the problem of scammers getting ".bank" or ".irs" or something, where the point isn't that they're getting too many names, it's that they're getting unreasonably misleading names.

Re: Pirate Bay Finds Safe Haven in Iceland, Switches to .IS Domain

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Can you suggest a business not dependent on government grants? As far as I can tell, every business in the world is. Any form of property rights is a government granted monopoly. The only natural law is "If I'm bigger than you, I'll take what I want". No matter what business you're in, you're relying on government protection to stop me just smacking you on the head and taking your stuff, whether it's tangible physica…

I have heard this argument before, but you are making a rather big claim when doing so. If all property rights is government granted monopolies, you are then saying that the government is the owner of all and everyone’s property. That mean you don't own that car. Its the government car that they have given to you under a granted permission to use it. Same goes for your house. All they need to render the third amendme…

> If all property rights is government granted monopolies, you are then saying that the government is the owner of all and everyone’s property.

Your trouble stems from a boot-strapping problem. Property ownership doesn't exist in the statute of nature. Thus, the government doesn't need to "own" property in order to grant rights to it.

What exists in the state of nature is control of territory (or anything) by virtue of force. The government's right to grant monopolies in the form of exclusive property rights doesn't derive from its ownership of say land, but from its dominance over that land through force as against any other entity.

Re: Pirate Bay Finds Safe Haven in Iceland, Switches to .IS Domain

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The government doesn't own it, but it enforces the right that you own it. Both for physical goods in the obvious way, and IP via the way of copyright.

Except that the notion of property ownership predates written records and organized government. Copyright was started in the 17th century to address the failure of previous censorship efforts in a world of new technology (the printing press), and eventually became a means by which printers could secure a competitive advantage. We now live in a world where the machines needed to copy things are commonly owned by indiv…

> Except that the notion of property ownership predates written records and organized government.

What people have in the absence of government is not property, but merely possession. No more or less binding on anyone else than a dog with a bone.

Re: Pirate Bay Finds Safe Haven in Iceland, Switches to .IS Domain

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Hosting DNS is already mostly distributed; that's not the hard part. The difficulty is setting up a distributed system that can allocate domains and prevent others from tampering with the records (e.g., what if I reply to a query for gmail.com with my own IP, pointing to a phishing site?) One possible solution is namecoin[1], which is based on bitcoin's proof-of-work protocol. But TPB's influence is not so inadverten…

Forgive my ignorance, but how did they secure the .bit TLD in the first place? Is this part of the whole slew of new TLDs that are coming out? They must have had a benefactor to make this happen. Er no it doesn't even seem to be on the list. http://www.newtlds.com/applications

Namecoin isn't ICANN. You install the software and whenever your machine does a lookup for the .bit TLD it uses their lookup system instead of sending it to the DNS resolver.

Re: Pirate Bay Finds Safe Haven in Iceland, Switches to .IS Domain

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It seems the switch to a new domain name has broken the ISP censorship in the UK. thepiratebay.se redirects to a site blocked page. thepiratebay.is works. I'm sure it won't be long until they block it again but this domain change as well as the numerous proxy sites setup to bypass the block go to show that it's a waste of time to even try blocking stuff like this. Does anyone know if the ISP's will be automatically r…

Wait... Pirate Bay is blocked (out of the box) in the UK? That's rather draconian for a first-world nation...

The modern UK is essentially a police state.

Re: Pirate Bay Finds Safe Haven in Iceland, Switches to .IS Domain

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It seems the switch to a new domain name has broken the ISP censorship in the UK. thepiratebay.se redirects to a site blocked page. thepiratebay.is works. I'm sure it won't be long until they block it again but this domain change as well as the numerous proxy sites setup to bypass the block go to show that it's a waste of time to even try blocking stuff like this. Does anyone know if the ISP's will be automatically r…

Wait... Pirate Bay is blocked (out of the box) in the UK? That's rather draconian for a first-world nation...

There's a lot of cultural disagreement within the first world. Check out UK libel law, the official secrets act, etc.
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