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Pirate Bay Finds Safe Haven in Iceland, Switches to .IS Domain

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Re: Pirate Bay Finds Safe Haven in Iceland, Switches to .IS Domain

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I have heard this argument before, but you are making a rather big claim when doing so. If all property rights is government granted monopolies, you are then saying that the government is the owner of all and everyone’s property. That mean you don't own that car. Its the government car that they have given to you under a granted permission to use it. Same goes for your house. All they need to render the third amendme…

The government doesn't own it, but it enforces the right that you own it. Both for physical goods in the obvious way, and IP via the way of copyright.

IP is a granted permissions by the state. It can not be owned by the individual.

The same goes for any other form of permissions. If I get a government permission to sell drugs or produce weapons, I would not call that a property right, comparable to the car I own. The permission to enter a house is not comparable to the property right of the person who owns the house.

If we look at copyright specific, it is an intrusion into the property right of others. Its not just a permissions, but also a restrictions of the actually property owners rights. By calling copyright a property equal to physical objects, we are making the term property meaningless to the point of contradiction.

Re: Pirate Bay Finds Safe Haven in Iceland, Switches to .IS Domain

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post #51

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The government doesn't own it, but it enforces the right that you own it. Both for physical goods in the obvious way, and IP via the way of copyright.

IP is a granted permissions by the state. It can not be owned by the individual. The same goes for any other form of permissions. If I get a government permission to sell drugs or produce weapons, I would not call that a property right, comparable to the car I own. The permission to enter a house is not comparable to the property right of the person who owns the house. If we look at copyright specific, it is an intru…

All "property rights" are sets of permissions granted by the state to an individual (or legal entity) to certain exclusive privileges with regard to whatever it is the "property right" relates to. This is just as true of rights to tangible personal property (like an iPhone) or real property (like a house) as it is to intellectual property (like a copyright), or intangible personal property that is not intellectual property (like a stock).

Re: Pirate Bay Finds Safe Haven in Iceland, Switches to .IS Domain

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It seems the switch to a new domain name has broken the ISP censorship in the UK. thepiratebay.se redirects to a site blocked page. thepiratebay.is works. I'm sure it won't be long until they block it again but this domain change as well as the numerous proxy sites setup to bypass the block go to show that it's a waste of time to even try blocking stuff like this. Does anyone know if the ISP's will be automatically r…

Same in Finland. .com and .se just show "Website not available", but .is works just fine, but we'll see if it gets blocked as well or not.

Re: Pirate Bay Finds Safe Haven in Iceland, Switches to .IS Domain

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What I wonder about, is they should be the "creators" and steering committee for the worlds own PnP DNS servers... I would gladly host a small portion of DNS spaces on my machines running at home...

DNS is probably the wrong word. You want some new method of name resolution, not DNS. The thing with DNS is that it actually works pretty well as a distributed system. There are a bunch of different people responsible for different TLDs. If the operator of one TLD is censoring you, you can use a different one. There are really two primary concerns with DNS. The first is that even if you have a domain using a TLD whos…

I suppose you could have an even less centralised system to resemble Tor hidden services. This transcript of Assange and Schmidt's meeting discusses this at a certain point, just grep for 'hash'[1]. That way the domain name itself is proof of its authenticity.

Couldn't you also have something akin to bitcoin's blockchain, where the identity of a domain is agreed upon by the majority of the creators of the blockchain? I don't know what the equivalent of mining would be though. Assange also suggests how domains could be made hard to make, so that they can be 'mined', creating scarcity so that "some arsehole" doesn't "register every short name themselves"[sic].

[1] http://wikileaks.org/Transcript-Meeting-Assange-Schmidt

Re: Pirate Bay Finds Safe Haven in Iceland, Switches to .IS Domain

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No I don't believe so, the original "source sites" are all done by court order, so people like ORG have reported on them, but clone sites, and new DNS names for existing sites, are simply blocked by request of the BPI. "Once a site is blocked, its alleged clone sites can also be blocked, but in this case, BPI will be able to practice this without a court order. The decisions would be made between BPI and ISPs and wil…

This is crazy. I understand that the hammer needs to go fast in that whackamole game but they should at least publish the list of blocked domains to allow external verification. This is a slippery slope to censorship.

you sound like you believe censorship was not the whole idea behind it

Re: Pirate Bay Finds Safe Haven in Iceland, Switches to .IS Domain

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What I wonder about, is they should be the "creators" and steering committee for the worlds own PnP DNS servers... I would gladly host a small portion of DNS spaces on my machines running at home...

DNS is probably the wrong word. You want some new method of name resolution, not DNS. The thing with DNS is that it actually works pretty well as a distributed system. There are a bunch of different people responsible for different TLDs. If the operator of one TLD is censoring you, you can use a different one. There are really two primary concerns with DNS. The first is that even if you have a domain using a TLD whos…

This is good, the problem is "and hopefully vice versa". ICANN can break this by grabbing contested names and counting on the fact that 99% of users will see what they want them to.

Re: Pirate Bay Finds Safe Haven in Iceland, Switches to .IS Domain

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I know nothing about this but given that DNS is quite low volume, distributed peer-to-peer DNS services sound really promising. It would definitely be interesting to hear someone with knowledge in this to chime in. TPB could (inadvertently) change the structure of the internet.

Hosting DNS is already mostly distributed; that's not the hard part. The difficulty is setting up a distributed system that can allocate domains and prevent others from tampering with the records (e.g., what if I reply to a query for gmail.com with my own IP, pointing to a phishing site?) One possible solution is namecoin[1], which is based on bitcoin's proof-of-work protocol. But TPB's influence is not so inadverten…

Forgive my ignorance, but how did they secure the .bit TLD in the first place? Is this part of the whole slew of new TLDs that are coming out? They must have had a benefactor to make this happen.

Er no it doesn't even seem to be on the list. http://www.newtlds.com/applications

Re: Pirate Bay Finds Safe Haven in Iceland, Switches to .IS Domain

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I hear a lot about "Well, find a new business model!", without explaining why a company should be forced to change based on clearly illegal activity. This is begging the question. The activity is illegal in the first place because of lobbying by the recording industry starting in the late 1800s/early 1900s.

So if you start a startup, you're totally fine if I take your code, your logo, your copyrights, and your name and create a copycat site and take your customers? You're okay with that? If so, please send me the details so I can keep an eye on you. Anyone else who's so inclined, reply as well. I'd love to grab a few zero-effort passive income generators.

I am, actually. Of course my EULA will have some clause to the effect of "If you do this, you implicitly accept to go three rounds with me at a time and place of my choosing, including your house". I'll be sure to bring a ref along, of course.

Re: Pirate Bay Finds Safe Haven in Iceland, Switches to .IS Domain

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know nothing about this but given that DNS is quite low volume, distributed peer-to-peer DNS services sound really promising. It would definitely be interesting to hear someone with knowledge in this to chime in. TPB could (inadvertently) change the structure of the internet.

Hosting DNS is already mostly distributed; that's not the hard part. The difficulty is setting up a distributed system that can allocate domains and prevent others from tampering with the records (e.g., what if I reply to a query for gmail.com with my own IP, pointing to a phishing site?) One possible solution is namecoin[1], which is based on bitcoin's proof-of-work protocol. But TPB's influence is not so inadverten…

I haven't though about this carefully but I wonder what the shortcomings of the following would be: when a domain 'owner' wants to update their DNS entry, they just push out a PGP-signed (or similar) message of their new IP onto a P2P swarm, which will only propagate your message if their message verifies with their public key, from which you can then grab the entry (and verify it again for extra security). Then, registering your domain would just consist of getting the swarm to accept your public key. Of course, this could be first-come first-serve, or it could be regulated in some way. This way you could have multiple swarms, and each swarm is only governed by their own decisions.

And I suppose on a smaller scale, TPB could create their own swarm right away, and have people use it parallel to existing DNS infrastructure. Then other censored domains could jump onto their swarm.

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