Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released • Hacker News Board

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by Florin_Andrei » Thu, Apr 25, 2013, 2:48 PM UTC

Running Ubuntu on a regular Dell laptop that is sometimes docked in a dual-monitor setup has been quite frustrating after versions 10 or 11 or so. I've had issues, repeatedly, with either setting up Unity for dual screen, or getting X to work at all. Going back to plain Gnome served as a partial workaround, until I switched to the new laptop - and then I started having issues initializing the screens after logging in (one of the screens would randomly remain blank when going into 1280x1024, I have to repeatedly logout/login to make it work).

Eventually, I gave Kubuntu 13.04 beta a try and, surprise, it works perfectly. No Unity nonsense, X works great.

It's a bit strange switching to KDE now. I've actually used KDE 1.0 back in the day, and Gnome 1.0. I've been a Gnome user most of this time. But now I'm starting to find even plain Gnome quite frustrating.

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by khyryk » Thu, Apr 25, 2013, 2:53 PM UTC

fsiefken wrote: post #80

stefanve wrote: post #15

I played with the beta and I have to say that it is way more polished than 12.04/12.10. I have played for many years with Linux (since early 1990s) but it was always to much of a hazel to use it as my main os. But since 12.04 I fully switched from OSX to Ubuntu the only thing I kind of missed was the polish of osx. 13.04 makes lots of things nicer and more fluid. I actually like Ubuntu better than osx. One thing left…

If you don't like orange, take a look at Lubuntu 13.04. It has nice minimal icon set and is blue instead of orange.

One could first try installing Advanced Settings from the Ubuntu Software Center and playing around with the GTK+ theme and the icon theme.

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by Zigurd » Thu, Apr 25, 2013, 2:57 PM UTC

Random_Person wrote: post #117

Zigurd wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did and am very pleased. Unity actually works. Suspend works. It's fast and smooth. My only problems were in installing it on a new laptop. I wanted to dual-boot Windows 8 and Ubuntu. No dice. Turn off signed booting, wipe the weird set of partitions Sony uses for Win 8 and then things went smoothly. I'm keeping the old machine for Windows 7.

Did you upgrade or format/install? I'm pondering it now. I've had quite a few system hangs lately and am wondering if I should even attempt the upgrade to 12.10

Both. Results were similar. But in the end I will work on the machine with a fresh install and put Windows 7 on my old machine.

Migrating was painless, except for finding enough disk space on an external drive to move all my somewhat disorganized and sprawling file hierarchy.

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by Matt_Cutts » Thu, Apr 25, 2013, 2:58 PM UTC

etfb wrote: post #70

buster wrote: post #4

Now what about releease notes? :-) (edit: some information is here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/TechnicalOverview ) Currently i am thinking of switching to LMDE (Linux Mint Debian Edition) because i don't really like the way Ubuntu is going with Unity, Mir, upstart, doing too much stuff on its own. Anyone with experience from LMDE here? Is it stable? Pros? Cons?

My experience with Mint less than a year ago was that the Cinnamon interface was so bugridden I actually looked forward to going back to Unity. The only real bug I've encountered in Unity is the integration between it and LibreOffice that renders menu keyboard shortcuts inoperative (Alt+F doesn't open the File menu, and so on). It's a known problem but the Ubuntu, Debian, Unity, Gnome, LibreOffice and OpenOffice peop…

Cinnamon has gotten much better. You might want to give it another shot.

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by reustle » Thu, Apr 25, 2013, 3:06 PM UTC

It's interesting to see that 13.04 comes with Mongo 2.2.4 pre-installed. If it's always running, it's going to make getting started with Mongo that much easier.

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by eggoa » Thu, Apr 25, 2013, 3:16 PM UTC

stefanve wrote: post #15

I played with the beta and I have to say that it is way more polished than 12.04/12.10. I have played for many years with Linux (since early 1990s) but it was always to much of a hazel to use it as my main os. But since 12.04 I fully switched from OSX to Ubuntu the only thing I kind of missed was the polish of osx. 13.04 makes lots of things nicer and more fluid. I actually like Ubuntu better than osx. One thing left…

"too much of a hazel"? What does this mean?

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by omegaham » Thu, Apr 25, 2013, 3:17 PM UTC

claudius wrote: post #118

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trivial maybe if you're a power user that knows Linux and Gnome's desktop shortcuts by heart and isn't afraid of hacking, but definitely not for the regular user Ubuntu was intended for a long time ago.

Said user should then have a system administrator to set up the system. Really, you either read the manual to learn such things or you get someone to do them, expecting a system as complex as a computer to work out-of-the-box is nonsense.

What you seem to be saying is that in order to use a personal computer, you should be an expert.

I disagree, and I'm glad that most people disagree as well. User-friendliness is important regardless of what system it is, even Linux. Have you noticed that the most successful distributions of Linux are the ones that are most friendly to beginners?

This elitism is destructive and serves only to make the "experts" smug and keep everyone else in the dark. I've found that the real experts are the ones who are writing guides for solving issues so that beginners can solve them too. That way, everyone benefits... and the beginners get to learn too. Almost all of my experience with config files has come from having a problem, Googling it, copy-pasting some commands into the terminal, and then becoming interested and messing around with it.

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by portmanteaufu » Thu, Apr 25, 2013, 3:24 PM UTC

eggoa wrote: post #126

stefanve wrote: post #15

I played with the beta and I have to say that it is way more polished than 12.04/12.10. I have played for many years with Linux (since early 1990s) but it was always to much of a hazel to use it as my main os. But since 12.04 I fully switched from OSX to Ubuntu the only thing I kind of missed was the polish of osx. 13.04 makes lots of things nicer and more fluid. I actually like Ubuntu better than osx. One thing left…

"too much of a hazel"? What does this mean?

I suspect he meant "too much of a hassle." I like his version too.

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by alyandon » Thu, Apr 25, 2013, 3:32 PM UTC

Is it now possible to perform basic tasks like specifying font and icon sizes without installing third-party tweak tools or manually editing text files?

I know a lot of work goes into these releases but when basic desktop functionality has been missing/broken since the 11.x series and fails to be addressed with each new release it starts to become depressing.

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by TallGuyShort » Thu, Apr 25, 2013, 3:32 PM UTC

prawks wrote: post #67

kostya-kow wrote: post #63

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I don't use Skype (imo.im works much better, and you don't have to install any programs), so I don't know anything about it, but Chrome seems to work.

Thanks for the plug, imo.im looks really cool! Can't believe I didn't know about it before.

I use their Android app to stay signed into my professional and personal IM accounts at the same time. It's the best I've found.