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Pirate Bay Finds Safe Haven in Iceland, Switches to .IS Domain

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Re: Pirate Bay Finds Safe Haven in Iceland, Switches to .IS Domain

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May I ask which one you're with?

I'm with o2 and they dont. although they have been bought by sky (not sure if sky currently filter/block)

They most definitely do. Sky here, and I can't access thepiratebay.se or thepiratebay.is.

Re: Pirate Bay Finds Safe Haven in Iceland, Switches to .IS Domain

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It seems the switch to a new domain name has broken the ISP censorship in the UK. thepiratebay.se redirects to a site blocked page. thepiratebay.is works. I'm sure it won't be long until they block it again but this domain change as well as the numerous proxy sites setup to bypass the block go to show that it's a waste of time to even try blocking stuff like this. Does anyone know if the ISP's will be automatically r…

The censorship in the UK is only there to discourage new or computer inexperienced users. Tools such as Tor has always worked, and will continue to work for a predicted long time into the future. Access to a indexing site of a few hundred MB is close to impossible to censure, and quite hard to even make inconvenient.

Re: Pirate Bay Finds Safe Haven in Iceland, Switches to .IS Domain

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May I ask which one you're with?

I'm with o2 and they dont. although they have been bought by sky (not sure if sky currently filter/block)

I'm on Sky and can confirm they block thepiratebay.se, I'm not sure about .is, I'll check once I'm home but over SSH it seems to fail.

Re: Pirate Bay Finds Safe Haven in Iceland, Switches to .IS Domain

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I'm not really sure it's bullying per se, to try and stop the mass illegal downloading of your content. It's not like they've got thugs at the door, they're just trying to shut down a site who's sole purpose is enabling the illegal downloading, and who has no interest in co-operating with even nicely worded, fair requests. I'm not a great fan of the entertainment industry, but if people were doing this to YC startups…

I hear a lot about "Well, find a new business model!", without explaining why a company should be forced to change based on clearly illegal activity. This is begging the question. The activity is illegal in the first place because of lobbying by the recording industry starting in the late 1800s/early 1900s.

So if you start a startup, you're totally fine if I take your code, your logo, your copyrights, and your name and create a copycat site and take your customers? You're okay with that?

If so, please send me the details so I can keep an eye on you. Anyone else who's so inclined, reply as well. I'd love to grab a few zero-effort passive income generators.

Re: Pirate Bay Finds Safe Haven in Iceland, Switches to .IS Domain

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not really sure it's bullying per se, to try and stop the mass illegal downloading of your content. It's not like they've got thugs at the door, they're just trying to shut down a site who's sole purpose is enabling the illegal downloading, and who has no interest in co-operating with even nicely worded, fair requests. I'm not a great fan of the entertainment industry, but if people were doing this to YC startups…

Im going to try to keep it short, but its hard given the many different topic you touched on. Any company that solely depend on government granted monopolies for their businesses model will have a hard time to claim a moral high ground or demand that the sovereign of foreign countries should be violated. The business model I would suggest is one that do not solely depend on government grants. That would likely be to…

Can you suggest a business not dependent on government grants? As far as I can tell, every business in the world is. Any form of property rights is a government granted monopoly. The only natural law is "If I'm bigger than you, I'll take what I want". No matter what business you're in, you're relying on government protection to stop me just smacking you on the head and taking your stuff, whether it's tangible physical goods or IP. They only difference here is that the internet has rendered the head smacking part obsolete for IP, so people can skip straight to taking the stuff.

Re: Pirate Bay Finds Safe Haven in Iceland, Switches to .IS Domain

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not really sure it's bullying per se, to try and stop the mass illegal downloading of your content. It's not like they've got thugs at the door, they're just trying to shut down a site who's sole purpose is enabling the illegal downloading, and who has no interest in co-operating with even nicely worded, fair requests. I'm not a great fan of the entertainment industry, but if people were doing this to YC startups…

I hear a lot about "Well, find a new business model!", without explaining why a company should be forced to change based on clearly illegal activity. This is begging the question. The activity is illegal in the first place because of lobbying by the recording industry starting in the late 1800s/early 1900s.

Copyright has been around a lot longer than the late 1800's/early 1900's. And many, many people rely on it for their income, not just the recording industry. In fact, the entire software industry, pretty much. Does the recording industry lose protection because they're big?

Re: Pirate Bay Finds Safe Haven in Iceland, Switches to .IS Domain

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not really sure it's bullying per se, to try and stop the mass illegal downloading of your content. It's not like they've got thugs at the door, they're just trying to shut down a site who's sole purpose is enabling the illegal downloading, and who has no interest in co-operating with even nicely worded, fair requests. I'm not a great fan of the entertainment industry, but if people were doing this to YC startups…

I hear a lot about "Well, find a new business model!", without explaining why a company should be forced to change based on clearly illegal activity. This is begging the question. The activity is illegal in the first place because of lobbying by the recording industry starting in the late 1800s/early 1900s.

I was under the impression that the 'recording industry' as we understand it today was spawned in the 1960's as a response to the Beatles and their popularity.

Re: Pirate Bay Finds Safe Haven in Iceland, Switches to .IS Domain

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I know nothing about this but given that DNS is quite low volume, distributed peer-to-peer DNS services sound really promising. It would definitely be interesting to hear someone with knowledge in this to chime in. TPB could (inadvertently) change the structure of the internet.

Hosting DNS is already mostly distributed; that's not the hard part. The difficulty is setting up a distributed system that can allocate domains and prevent others from tampering with the records (e.g., what if I reply to a query for gmail.com with my own IP, pointing to a phishing site?) One possible solution is namecoin[1], which is based on bitcoin's proof-of-work protocol. But TPB's influence is not so inadverten…

You're right, it doesn't look like the project advertised 2 years ago got past the idea stage.

Assuming someone actually tried, however, I don't think I'd be as worried about tampering as you have suggested... Firstly, SSL and whatever certification system used in the future will still exist to prevent man-in-the-middle hijacking, meaning even if trivial to do (like defacing Wikipedia), I do not think it will occur substantially unless as a form of DDoS (as in defacing Wikipedia), and second... by implementing something like the possibility of manual pinning and upstream authority/record-source blacklisting (a common technique in P2P apps, with an anology in Wikipedia to marking a page/record "frozen" for a period due to contention), it would be possible to preserve consensus, overriding/responding to the current level of state censorship for the forseeable future. If governments more broadly dictate filters, that will change the nature of things (and of Wikipedia... They will be able to change history), but we are not there yet nor do I think we will be there on the order of 5-10 years (and something like this might slow that timeframe). I also think people are getting more vocal about the negative aspect of imaginary property enforcement. ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5606921 )

Re: Pirate Bay Finds Safe Haven in Iceland, Switches to .IS Domain

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What I wonder about, is they should be the "creators" and steering committee for the worlds own PnP DNS servers... I would gladly host a small portion of DNS spaces on my machines running at home...

I knew AlterNIC would be back some day.
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