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Pirate Bay Finds Safe Haven in Iceland, Switches to .IS Domain

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Re: Pirate Bay Finds Safe Haven in Iceland, Switches to .IS Domain

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Post by publicfig »

fakeer wrote: post #6

Can they actually hold off collective might of media houses and billionaires who actually call the shots and make politicians dance to their tunes, mostly because of they have taken the dirty money? What if the bullies resort to proxy arm twisting? One must remember Iceland was invaded[1] by the British during WW2! PS. An invasion is an invasion even if it was said that the invasion was to pre-empt another invasion.…

"[update: invasion in a sense as to coerce a country to achieve desired result by hook or by crook]"

That's not even close to invasion if that's what you meant. I really can't imagine that anyone would come close to invading Iceland just because they host a domain.

Re: Pirate Bay Finds Safe Haven in Iceland, Switches to .IS Domain

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Post by livnev »

spoiledtechie wrote: post #7

What I wonder about, is they should be the "creators" and steering committee for the worlds own PnP DNS servers... I would gladly host a small portion of DNS spaces on my machines running at home...

I know nothing about this but given that DNS is quite low volume, distributed peer-to-peer DNS services sound really promising. It would definitely be interesting to hear someone with knowledge in this to chime in.

TPB could (inadvertently) change the structure of the internet.

Re: Pirate Bay Finds Safe Haven in Iceland, Switches to .IS Domain

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Post by etvmueller »

fakeer wrote: post #6

Can they actually hold off collective might of media houses and billionaires who actually call the shots and make politicians dance to their tunes, mostly because of they have taken the dirty money? What if the bullies resort to proxy arm twisting? One must remember Iceland was invaded[1] by the British during WW2! PS. An invasion is an invasion even if it was said that the invasion was to pre-empt another invasion.…

It would be more likely to interfere with Iceland's connection to the world financial system, for example to burden that connection with regulatory hurdles or to even suspend it, than to use overt military force, because that strategy could be hidden from the average citizen of the aggressor, whereas an invasion would ultimately require an explanation and much political capital.

Re: Pirate Bay Finds Safe Haven in Iceland, Switches to .IS Domain

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Post by cadab »

livnev wrote: post #19
rwmj wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should probably switch to an ISP that doesn't filter. Mine doesn't.

May I ask which one you're with?

I'm with o2 and they dont. although they have been bought by sky (not sure if sky currently filter/block)

Re: Pirate Bay Finds Safe Haven in Iceland, Switches to .IS Domain

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Post by icebraining »

livnev wrote: post #22
spoiledtechie wrote: post #7

What I wonder about, is they should be the "creators" and steering committee for the worlds own PnP DNS servers... I would gladly host a small portion of DNS spaces on my machines running at home...

I know nothing about this but given that DNS is quite low volume, distributed peer-to-peer DNS services sound really promising. It would definitely be interesting to hear someone with knowledge in this to chime in. TPB could (inadvertently) change the structure of the internet.

Hosting DNS is already mostly distributed; that's not the hard part.

The difficulty is setting up a distributed system that can allocate domains and prevent others from tampering with the records (e.g., what if I reply to a query for gmail.com with my own IP, pointing to a phishing site?)

One possible solution is namecoin[1], which is based on bitcoin's proof-of-work protocol.

But TPB's influence is not so inadvertent: http://digitizor.com/2010/12/01/the-pirate-bay-co-founder-st...

[1]: http://dot-bit.org/Main_Page

Re: Pirate Bay Finds Safe Haven in Iceland, Switches to .IS Domain

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Post by nitrogen »

archgrove wrote: post #14
fakeer wrote: post #6

Can they actually hold off collective might of media houses and billionaires who actually call the shots and make politicians dance to their tunes, mostly because of they have taken the dirty money? What if the bullies resort to proxy arm twisting? One must remember Iceland was invaded[1] by the British during WW2! PS. An invasion is an invasion even if it was said that the invasion was to pre-empt another invasion.…

I'm not really sure it's bullying per se, to try and stop the mass illegal downloading of your content. It's not like they've got thugs at the door, they're just trying to shut down a site who's sole purpose is enabling the illegal downloading, and who has no interest in co-operating with even nicely worded, fair requests. I'm not a great fan of the entertainment industry, but if people were doing this to YC startups…

I hear a lot about "Well, find a new business model!", without explaining why a company should be forced to change based on clearly illegal activity.

This is begging the question. The activity is illegal in the first place because of lobbying by the recording industry starting in the late 1800s/early 1900s.

Re: Pirate Bay Finds Safe Haven in Iceland, Switches to .IS Domain

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Post by etvmueller »

publicfig wrote: post #21
fakeer wrote: post #6

Can they actually hold off collective might of media houses and billionaires who actually call the shots and make politicians dance to their tunes, mostly because of they have taken the dirty money? What if the bullies resort to proxy arm twisting? One must remember Iceland was invaded[1] by the British during WW2! PS. An invasion is an invasion even if it was said that the invasion was to pre-empt another invasion.…

"[update: invasion in a sense as to coerce a country to achieve desired result by hook or by crook]" That's not even close to invasion if that's what you meant. I really can't imagine that anyone would come close to invading Iceland just because they host a domain.

I agree that an aggressor is unlikely to invade Iceland for resolving The Pirate Bay domain, but there remains the possibility for all states that a farcical reason is used to obfuscate the real reason for an invasion.

Re: Pirate Bay Finds Safe Haven in Iceland, Switches to .IS Domain

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Post by nitrogen »

publicfig wrote: post #21
fakeer wrote: post #6

Can they actually hold off collective might of media houses and billionaires who actually call the shots and make politicians dance to their tunes, mostly because of they have taken the dirty money? What if the bullies resort to proxy arm twisting? One must remember Iceland was invaded[1] by the British during WW2! PS. An invasion is an invasion even if it was said that the invasion was to pre-empt another invasion.…

"[update: invasion in a sense as to coerce a country to achieve desired result by hook or by crook]" That's not even close to invasion if that's what you meant. I really can't imagine that anyone would come close to invading Iceland just because they host a domain.

What do you mean? It's already been done in response to Wikileaks: https://www.google.com/search?q=fbi+iceland

Re: Pirate Bay Finds Safe Haven in Iceland, Switches to .IS Domain

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Post by belorn »

archgrove wrote: post #14
fakeer wrote: post #6

Can they actually hold off collective might of media houses and billionaires who actually call the shots and make politicians dance to their tunes, mostly because of they have taken the dirty money? What if the bullies resort to proxy arm twisting? One must remember Iceland was invaded[1] by the British during WW2! PS. An invasion is an invasion even if it was said that the invasion was to pre-empt another invasion.…

I'm not really sure it's bullying per se, to try and stop the mass illegal downloading of your content. It's not like they've got thugs at the door, they're just trying to shut down a site who's sole purpose is enabling the illegal downloading, and who has no interest in co-operating with even nicely worded, fair requests. I'm not a great fan of the entertainment industry, but if people were doing this to YC startups…

Im going to try to keep it short, but its hard given the many different topic you touched on.

Any company that solely depend on government granted monopolies for their businesses model will have a hard time to claim a moral high ground or demand that the sovereign of foreign countries should be violated.

The business model I would suggest is one that do not solely depend on government grants. That would likely be to produce a product or rendering a service that others are willing to pay for.

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