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George W. Bush is smarter than you

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Re: George W. Bush is smarter than you

#31

Even if this were true, pretending to be stupid with the goal of getting elected is far worse than actually being stupid.

Not talking like an Ivy-league graduate isn't the same as pretending to be stupid. When you're around friends who don't understand computer science, do you talk in programming lingo? I assume no. Does that mean you're pretending to be stupid? Again, no.

Re: George W. Bush is smarter than you

#32

Even if this were true, pretending to be stupid with the goal of getting elected is far worse than actually being stupid.

De-emphasizing intellect is a far cry from pretending to be stupid. In fact, character matters at least as much as intelligence in real life. What use is intelligence if you don't have the character to execute when you have to do something hard? And of course, ethics provide the end goals to which intelligence is applied.

Re: George W. Bush is smarter than you

#33
As someone from outside the US, I had a fairly bad impression of George W. from the general media that reached us. You know what changed my mind? Listening back through the early NPR Planet Money episodes quoting Bush's reactions to, and speeches during, the 2007/08 financial crisis. Before that, all I had really heard were statements from him concerning the war in Iraq et al--but on economic issues, he seemed incredibly erudite and with a better picture of the issues than even the people working for him.

Of course, it was all an image manufactured by his staff... but so was his "character" during his speeches on other topics. I wish you all had gotten a bit more of the former.

Re: George W. Bush is smarter than you

#34

I understand that even a "dumb" president is probably smarter than the average person but on the other hand starting the Iraq war and ignoring the housing bubble are pretty convincing evidence that he was an idiot in all the ways that count. Also impressive how fast these guys appear from under their rocks when they're called upon.

" starting the Iraq war and ignoring the housing bubble are pretty convincing evidence that he was an idiot in all the ways that count."

Not necessarily. Dick Cheney had financial interests in Halliburton, which benefited greatly thanks to the Iraq War. I imagine Bush had much the same (or if not him directly, then family), which would make the Iraq war a brilliant move for his pocketbook.

Re: George W. Bush is smarter than you

#35
post #9

> There is a bias in much of the mainstream press and commentariat that people from outside of NY-BOS-WAS-CHI-SEA-SF-LA are less intelligent, or at least well educated. Many public commenters harbor an anti-Texas (and anti-Southern, and anti-Midwestern) intellectual bias. They mistakenly treat John Kerry as smarter than George Bush because John Kerry talks like an Ivy League professor while George Bush talks like a T…

Many Americans who grew up speaking English have a similar bias against foreigners. When they hear someone struggle to articulately present a point, they (incorrectly) presume that the speaker's lack of competence with the English language extends also to the matter being discussed (e.g. if a person has a hard time speaking about a topic, he also has a hard time reasoning about that topic).

Growing up, the kid who couldn't put together a sentence in English class probably also had difficulty with other subjects. This can prime you to associate a lack of language skills with a lack of general intelligence; however, in the adult world there are plenty of examples of people who are perfectly competent in their field but struggle with English as a method of communication.

Re: George W. Bush is smarter than you

#36
There are similar accounts on quora citing that bush is extremely intelligent.

The challenging things about all these accounts is that not only in public did he seem like an idiot but the decisions that he made in office were similarly inept.

To cite a few: - Spending increases while incurring tax cuts - The Iraq War + the willful deceiving of the public - The lack of remorse of any decision made in office

Malcolm Gladwell cites that (in life) the people who really excel aren't just the ones who are the most intelligent but the ones who posses other factors as well which make them a success. Perhaps this provides some of the explanation for the discrepancy between the personal accounts and the actions of his administration.

Re: George W. Bush is smarter than you

#37
post #34

I understand that even a "dumb" president is probably smarter than the average person but on the other hand starting the Iraq war and ignoring the housing bubble are pretty convincing evidence that he was an idiot in all the ways that count. Also impressive how fast these guys appear from under their rocks when they're called upon.

" starting the Iraq war and ignoring the housing bubble are pretty convincing evidence that he was an idiot in all the ways that count." Not necessarily. Dick Cheney had financial interests in Halliburton, which benefited greatly thanks to the Iraq War. I imagine Bush had much the same (or if not him directly, then family), which would make the Iraq war a brilliant move for his pocketbook.

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Re: George W. Bush is smarter than you

#38
Anecdotally, having been born and raised in Orange County, CA (11yr), then Arkansas (5yr) and finally Texas for High School and College (7yr), followed by Denver (liberal) and now Silicon Valley, I can confirm this liberal bias toward both Texas and The South, and also by self-appointed intellectuals toward individuals like myself who tend to not take themselves too seriously.

I regularly find myself catching others off-guard professionally when I exert my intellect, because they tend to have me pegged as an easy-going So-Cal / Southerner. However, from my experience, liberals and self-appointed intellectuals share all the same personality and reasoning flaws as their counterparts.

People are people and differ mostly in the person they choose to project, not in their inherent abilities. Both are honest about different portions of themselves.

Re: George W. Bush is smarter than you

#40
post #9

> There is a bias in much of the mainstream press and commentariat that people from outside of NY-BOS-WAS-CHI-SEA-SF-LA are less intelligent, or at least well educated. Many public commenters harbor an anti-Texas (and anti-Southern, and anti-Midwestern) intellectual bias. They mistakenly treat John Kerry as smarter than George Bush because John Kerry talks like an Ivy League professor while George Bush talks like a T…

One of the worst things is when people discount those with southern accents as being unintelligent. It frustrates me a great deal. I occasionally do research/experiments at Oak Ridge National Labs, and there are plenty of Tennesseans there who are incredibly intelligent. But running into them on the street, I'm sure many from the north or west coast would dismiss them because of their southern accent and slow/unhurried speech.
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