California, one of the most "progressive states" requires businesses to stop at 2am

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Post by flavio87 » Mon, Apr 13, 2009, 10:10 AM UTC

California, one of the most "progressive states" requires businesses to stop at 2am
dnalounge.com

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Post by tjic » Mon, Apr 13, 2009, 3:14 PM UTC

"Progressivism" means lots of regulation.

Canada is considered progressive, and has censorship. Feminists pushed for it, so that women wouldn't be degraded.

Of course, feminists ended up as the first victims of the censorship when feminist / lesbian book stores started having their shipments seized and confiscated.

If you're following JWZ's saga, you'll learn that one of the reasons the government is trying to shut down his nightclub is that at a gay dance night one non-staff member spanked another non-staff member in what some government employee considered a sexual manner.

Call me crazy, but I've always thought that there's more freedom when we don't have a suffocating nanny state trying to arrive at the One Correct Decision for everybody else.

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Post by tutwabee » Mon, Apr 13, 2009, 3:34 PM UTC

California is progressive because they have banned non-hands-free cellular phones while driving, banned text messaging while driving, banned the sale of alcohol after 2am, banned gay marriage explicitly through a constitutional amendment.

When did the words "liberal" and "progressive" become synonymous with "government regulated?"

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Post by geuis » Mon, Apr 13, 2009, 3:35 PM UTC

I live in Lower Haight right next to a night club. 2am is late enough, thank you. I have also lived in Ft Lauderdale and Miami and enjoyed the nightlife. 4am was fun at times but as I remember the late hours increased traffic deaths due to drunk drivers, not decreased. Also, these guys need to proof their document. Several spelling errors.

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Post by donw » Mon, Apr 13, 2009, 3:50 PM UTC

For people who don't know, DNA Lounge is run by Jamie Zawinsky, who is one of the few people who can claim to have created modern web browsing -- he was one of the core programmers at Netscape when they first got started. Got tired of computers, and then built a nightclub... full of computers with free internet access.

I have mixed feelings about this. Part of me thinks it's a great idea -- after all, bars in Japan run pretty much 24/7, so you can go (quite literally) non-stop all weekend. On the other hand, my wallet hates me for this.

I'd probably be all for no last call whatsoever, provided that SF had better public transportation, especially to the South Bay.

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Post by sgharms » Mon, Apr 13, 2009, 4:22 PM UTC

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that they use a spell checker on this document and catch egregious errors like "Los Angels" and be it;

FURTHER RESOLVED they hire a decent copy-editor to notice further egregious errors like "closing tie."

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Post by gojomo » Mon, Apr 13, 2009, 4:45 PM UTC

Re: the text http://www.dnalounge.com/backstage/last-call-resolution.html >

Funny that after making such a good case for local decisionmaking in this matter, they still...

- limit the change to just 4 'major metopolitan cities': LA, SF, San Jose, and San Diego

- pick a rather arbitrary 3:30a last-call as the latest possible, rather than leaving either earlier or later times to local governments