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Re: Salary at Venture-Backed Companies

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Pay them above market so they don't need to worry about making more elsewhere.

But how can they all be paid 'above market'? Is that like 90% of drivers being above average?

This works because most managers and founders aren't smart enough to pay above market.

Re: Salary at Venture-Backed Companies

#72

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Pay them above market so they don't need to worry about making more elsewhere.

But how can they all be paid 'above market'? Is that like 90% of drivers being above average?

Keep quiet, that is our brilliant plan!

Re: Salary at Venture-Backed Companies

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Pay them above market so they don't need to worry about making more elsewhere.

But how can they all be paid 'above market'? Is that like 90% of drivers being above average?

If the distribution has a very high skewness this is indeed possible :)

Re: Salary at Venture-Backed Companies

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Paying management less than they deserve would not encourage them to stay hungry. But paying them more than they deserve based on market dynamics could possibly cause them to lose motivation. This is definitely not a rule that occurs 100% of the time, but my point is its something to be aware of, and salaries need to be more transparent so better-educated salary decisions can be made (for all participants of the tech…

Do you have any proof of that, other than your own anecdotal evidence?

Nope. Not sure how one might prove something like that. I'm citing it based on experience. Again, not saying that this is always the case, just that it is a counter intuitive phenomenon to be aware of.

Re: Salary at Venture-Backed Companies

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Why? If I got 50 million dollars in funding or 400k, I'd still probably pay myself only what I need to survive/present myself and pour as much into the business as possible, at least until profitability and even then my salary would remain low until profitability was maintained and began to increase rather than be an issue. Then again, I don't have a family.

That is a very bad strategy.... You should study or read up on startup stories. It's risk management.

Exactly. There's a time element to this. It takes 7-11 years for a startup to go public. Your life changes during that time and so does the relative impact of your salary on runway.

Re: Salary at Venture-Backed Companies

#76
post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Paying management less than they deserve would not encourage them to stay hungry. But paying them more than they deserve based on market dynamics could possibly cause them to lose motivation. This is definitely not a rule that occurs 100% of the time, but my point is its something to be aware of, and salaries need to be more transparent so better-educated salary decisions can be made (for all participants of the tech…

Do you have any proof of that, other than your own anecdotal evidence?

I doubt he has anecdotal evidence or he'd have mentioned specific cases in his article. It's a theory he's working on as part of his efforts to convince the best and the brightest to work for his company, a high risk unstable start up, for below market rates. There's one of these articles out from some guy at a VC backed firm who is unable to afford competent people every few weeks. The best idea these guys ever have is to write articles telling all the "coders" that they are not as special as they think they are and would be lucky to work for a fine firm such as theirs in return for vague promises of magic beans.

Meanwhile I have no problem at all hiring the best and the brightest. It's super easy to find good people and hire them and how to do so is not a secret at all.

Re: Salary at Venture-Backed Companies

#77

"But if you offer too much compensation, management and employees may begin to feel fat and happy and lose the motivation to maximize long-term value for shareholders." IMO (and while I can't speak to the management side of it), this displays a horrifying misunderstanding of the mindset of the technical people you want to hire and pay well. As an experienced and driven programmer, you hire me and pay me well so that…

Exactly, these kinds of essays only increase my contempt of the empty suits who consider this advice "good management".

Re: Salary at Venture-Backed Companies

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post #71

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But how can they all be paid 'above market'? Is that like 90% of drivers being above average?

This works because most managers and founders aren't smart enough to pay above market.

Exactly. This is one of those things that makes sense, and just because its impossible for everyone to do it, it does not mean you shouldn't.

It's like hiring the best developers possible - obviously not everyone can hire the best devs, but it doesn't mean you shouldn't try to do it anyway.

Re: Salary at Venture-Backed Companies

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That is a very bad strategy.... You should study or read up on startup stories. It's risk management.

Exactly. There's a time element to this. It takes 7-11 years for a startup to go public. Your life changes during that time and so does the relative impact of your salary on runway.

7-11 years for a startup to go public, but how long to reach profitability to the point where an increase in salary won't affect that profitability? If it takes 7-11 years for that, you're probably not in the right business.

It's not about the amount you raise, it's about what stage your company is in. That's my real point there.

Re: Salary at Venture-Backed Companies

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"But if you offer too much compensation, management and employees may begin to feel fat and happy and lose the motivation to maximize long-term value for shareholders." God forbid if your employees are happy. In all seriousness, I don't even remotely understand this mindset. Why would paying your employees less than they deserve or less than is optimal encourage them to "stay hungry." If anything, this is going to de…

Paying management less than they deserve would not encourage them to stay hungry. But paying them more than they deserve based on market dynamics could possibly cause them to lose motivation. This is definitely not a rule that occurs 100% of the time, but my point is its something to be aware of, and salaries need to be more transparent so better-educated salary decisions can be made (for all participants of the tech…

Why the down votes folks? Counter his experiences with your own examples or theory, tell him you disagree with what he thinks he saw (even though you weren't there) but sheesh, its not like he said something worth down voting. (I'm going to feel silly if the down voted post was full of racial slurs and has been edited since the down votes to remove them.)
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