I totally agree with your thoughts and concerns. It sounds like my experience: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5535181
Expunging Google
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Re: Expunging Google
#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
You must have not been paying attention. A long list of evidence has been posted here on HN on several occassionas, including dropping CalDAV, of Google turning against the open web. It's nothing new either, it has been going on for years. They've even dropped their support for net neutrality years ago. In the mean time Google has been heavily pushing the Google+ walled garden, their anti-privacy and anti-anonymity a…
> HN on several occassionas 3 if I count correctly: Reader closedown (which, in my opinion, not a hit to open web at all), XMPP Federation issue (It's fixed now) and CalDAV whitelist (Not closedown, whitelist).
They dropped the Microsoft Exchange format for syncing contacts in favor of the open cardDAV format, so that's one piece of data the points in the other direction.
[Edit: originally typed "calendars" instead of "contacts".]
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#143This is not conscious consumerism. This is a childish temper tantrum. Chrome has better developer tools. If your job is being a web dev and you purposely make your job harder because you're mad at Google for shutting down Reader, you're not being rational.
I'll still happily use Chromium for web development, as and where necessary. Just not signed in to Google for sync, etc. etc. I do wonder though ... would you have described the formation of the FSF as a childish temper tantrum? I remember the days when to use Linux as a development OS was painful ... it worked out well in the end though :)
Your analogy doesn't work at all. The FSF is about a goal. It is a noble goal, and it has clearly shaped the software world for the better.
I ran Linux and did lots of development under it in the 90s. I quite enjoyed it and preferred it to Windows development at the time. I use Linux every day for work.
That doesn't mean I don't boot up Windows to play BioShock Infinite, even though I disagree with a lot of things Microsoft does.
Re: Expunging Google
#144I don't care about reader or RSS.
I do care about Google's decision to avoid paying tax. This may be legal, but it's shady. Thus, I'm starting to not use Google provided services.
It's a shame because Google Search (web, at least) really is very good, despite occasional weirdness.
Here's some screenshots (http://imgur.com/a/u1zj6) of my results. (Note that suicidegirls is NSFW)
[suicidegirls dutch doctors want to kill little babies] gives this URL (https://www.google.co.uk/#output=search&sclient=psy-ab&#...)
But [suicidegirls dutch doctors] gives this url (https://www.google.co.uk/#sclient=psy-ab&q=suicidegirls+...)
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#145What about the products advertisers/publishers use? Adsense and Adwords.
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#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
> de-factory monopoly Not really: - Video: Till Oct '12, youtube's market share peaked at ~52%. [1] - Email: Gmail surpassed Outlook in market share only in Oct '12. [2] - Search: Google Search 67.5% as of March 15, 2013. [3] > many of these services have stagnated And when they attempt to get out of markets so that other new companies can perform better, we get Reader like response. > Google does not seem to care mu…
Would love to see some market-share breakdowns. Still, that's pretty huge. I expected them to bigger at video, but I guess there is a pretty long tail of smaller providers such as Vimeo and Liveleak and what not? > And when they attempt to get out of markets so that other new companies can perform better I really doubt that they canceled Reader for such altruistic reasons. > And how are you sure that FastMail and Vim…
I expected them to bigger at video, but I guess there is a pretty long tail of smaller providers such as Vimeo and Liveleak and what not?
Also, porn.
Re: Expunging Google
#147This reminds me of a kid, lying flat in the middle of a super market, revolting with his parents because they didn't buy a toy he liked..
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#148I still think this is all ridiculous. Stopping support for a product that uses a certain standard doesn't mean you're against that standard, unless you're a conspiracy theorist. You can argue that they're against certain open standards if you want, but the canceling of Reader isn't actually evidence of that. Simultaneously putting effort into G+ is also not evidence of that. It's not even symbolic of that. It is only…
Way to use the words "consparicy theorist" - an overloaded term.
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#149Just like everybody else said, Google is not moving against the open web. Rather the opposite. The only thing I agree with is the part where Google tries to get everybody to use Google only, which makes sense considering Google can be compared to a small empire. I mean, has anyone seen the office buildings that Google has? As for Chrome, I think Webkit (or now Blink) is where web happens fastest. All new web experime…
> All new web experiments are done with -webkit, not -moz-
Uh... That happens to not be true. But WebKit does have much better (and better-funded) marketing.
Re: Expunging Google
#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
No he is arguing that because Google closed down Reader, using any other service offered by Google is poor judgement while also stating that they don't innovate in many if not all product areas.
I can't read that from the original comment. In fact, he didn't even mention Google Reader specifically. If you are referring to the original article, the article makes it fairly obvious that the GReader event was the proverbial last straw, not the main motivator.
Still odd that reader's the 'last straw', but not on the lists of services to expunge!