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Re: Amazon was Down

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At an estimated loss of $31,000 per minute http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9962010-7.html?tag=nefd.to... I'm blown away that I see Amazon goes down so often. That certainly, in my mind, doesn't bode well for the brand of AWS.

$31K in '08. What is it today?

A very quick calculation (using AMZN's $61b net sales in 2012) yields about $116k per minute.

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#53

At an estimated loss of $31,000 per minute http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9962010-7.html?tag=nefd.to... I'm blown away that I see Amazon goes down so often. That certainly, in my mind, doesn't bode well for the brand of AWS.

AWS is working at unprecedented scale and is definitely pushing the envelope. This sort of stuff is inevitable and I don't think it's inherently a bad thing.

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

aws != amazon. It's perfectly possible for AWS to keep running just fine, while Amazon the website bursts into flames.

Does Amazon not run their website on AWS? I assumed (incorrectly, apparently) that AWS was originally built to allow Amazon to scale their own services. Is it really a separate product that they don't use themselves?

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#55

Somewhat off-topic: my (limited) experience with Amazon Prime video suggests it's significantly less reliable than Netflix or iTunes (neither of which are stupendously reliable, but I'd say Netflix is by far the most reliable of the three). Hulu might actually be worse than Amazon Prime.

I don't know if you saw this posted on HN, but Netflix test their system really well. They use so-called chaos monkey [1] that shuts down random servers on a whim. This allows them to detect and get rid of dependencies, i.e. tolerate failures in other parts of the system.

[1] http://techblog.netflix.com/2011/07/netflix-simian-army.html

Re: Amazon was Down

#56

At an estimated loss of $31,000 per minute http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9962010-7.html?tag=nefd.to... I'm blown away that I see Amazon goes down so often. That certainly, in my mind, doesn't bode well for the brand of AWS.

Amazon.com retail website does not run on AWS.

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#58

Somewhat off-topic: my (limited) experience with Amazon Prime video suggests it's significantly less reliable than Netflix or iTunes (neither of which are stupendously reliable, but I'd say Netflix is by far the most reliable of the three). Hulu might actually be worse than Amazon Prime.

I don't know if you saw this posted on HN, but Netflix test their system really well. They use so-called chaos monkey [1] that shuts down random servers on a whim. This allows them to detect and get rid of dependencies, i.e. tolerate failures in other parts of the system. [1] http://techblog.netflix.com/2011/07/netflix-simian-army.html

Isn't Netflix hosted on AWS?

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#59
post #29

It's a lesson in overengineering. At this point my $5 Pentium 3 server has a greater uptime than Amazon.

Your $5 Pentium 3 server isn't the largest retail website on the internet making $61 billion a year. Having seen a lot of the code that Amazon runs on, and having seen first-hand the scale that it runs on, I'll say this: it's not perfect, but it's remarkably well-engineered, and a hell of a lot better than most snarky HNers could do.

But that's the point. Most people don't need anything that well-engineered. Compared to more traditional hosting solutions from quality providers, AWS has terrible uptime and at a much higher cost for the same amount of resources. Two VPS'es from two different providers in a simple failover configuration with an anycast DNS solution would be simpler, cheaper, and much more reliable.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know if you saw this posted on HN, but Netflix test their system really well. They use so-called chaos monkey [1] that shuts down random servers on a whim. This allows them to detect and get rid of dependencies, i.e. tolerate failures in other parts of the system. [1] http://techblog.netflix.com/2011/07/netflix-simian-army.html

Isn't Netflix hosted on AWS?

Netflix is indeed running on AWS. Some details about their back-end here:

http://techblog.netflix.com/2012/12/aws-reinvent-was-awesome...

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